# The cost of suicide ganking is too low **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 17, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033 "2017-11-17T16:12:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/759 "2017-11-27T11:54:53Z")
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**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/760 "2017-11-27T11:58:52Z")
_busies herself salvaging the wrecks and “saving” the crews of this latest round of forum pvp_ ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/761 "2017-11-27T12:18:15Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I find the AG angle interesting and want to explore whether EVE systemically offers a more efficient method for them to fight gankers. My hypothesis is that if HS mechanics enable ganking, they should also enable a cheaper reaction on the part of a 3rd party associated/aiding the gank target. So what is your goal here? If the gank fleet has 30 people and 500mil ISK (which will be lost no matter if the gank succeeds or not) in ships on the line then what amount of people and assets would AG have to field? ---
**Author:** ![Aergri\_Evingod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aergri_evingod/32/116437_2.png) [@Aergri\_Evingod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aergri_Evingod)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/762 "2017-11-27T12:25:37Z")
ccp could as well introduce mining permits of the empire. escalate the situation. want to mine in high with a exploration frigat, barge or exhumer get a permit from the regional empire. this permit has to be installe in a new slot for ship signature encryptors. having such a permit creates reaction from concord towards ganker as well as faction standing loss for gankers. permit runs over certain time intervall. no permit installed get marked as free for all ship, now fun comes faction military police (police not custome agents) scans for permits. if one has none npc gank. permits can be bought for lp and sold on the market. sse also allow for a new factum, faction millitant as long as in millitant encryption one can enter faction plexes if no millitant encryption then sorry civilians shouldn’t enter zones of engagement. actually they could enter sse for sansha and sse for anti sanshas. just one possible idea. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/763 "2017-11-27T12:35:43Z")
> [@Aergri\_Evingod](#): > > want to mine in high with a exploration frigat Do you mean Expedition Frigate? ---
**Author:** ![Abyss\_Azizora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abyss_azizora/32/15938_2.png) [@Abyss\_Azizora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abyss_Azizora)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/765 "2017-11-27T12:40:55Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > The point that your friends are violating the EULA and you think that is something normal? Maybe CCP should checkout who you hang out with in the game? By all means, try. I’ve had no luck myself. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/766 "2017-11-27T12:45:43Z")
I think we should have a pinned “Hall of Shame” were we post about the nonsense/lies/hypocrazy (intentional :P) other posters fabricate, and how they ignore good advice, logic, etc. With links to their nonsense, of course. Yes, including their names. This is EVE ONLINE, don’t be an idiot. Good for the community as a whole, and a nice poster (as in, the thing you put on a wall) for the outside world: “We’re not toxic. They are!” Forum bookmarks. They’re awesome! ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/767 "2017-11-27T12:47:08Z")
Idk But last time ag put isk on the field, that isk was brutally murdered… Then 15 minutes later the guy they had come to save died too 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Charley\_Varrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/charley_varrick/32/134094_2.png) [@Charley\_Varrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Charley_Varrick)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/768 "2017-11-27T12:48:58Z")
Wow that’s the biggest quote tree I have seen yet!! Not gonna bother trying to reply to all that. Waste of time. I will say that you miss understand what I want. If you and your ganker buddies would have bothered to actually read what we are saying rather than hacking our posts into quote trees and leaving out key parts you might have seen that we dont want to see ganking done away with. I want it balanced. Risk vs reward. ---
**Author:** ![Fabulous\_Rod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fabulous_rod/32/34799_2.png) [@Fabulous\_Rod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fabulous_Rod)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/769 "2017-11-27T12:50:17Z")
> [@Coralas](#): > > Nope - gameplayers are known not to read manuals, who said anything about reading a manual? lol Too many people are missing the points, intentionally or unintentionally. Reading all the dumb responses from all the same people, its no wonder the game is so unpopular with a community like this. ---
**Author:** ![Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/patti_potato_patrouette/32/18901_2.png) [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Patti_Potato_Patrouette)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/772 "2017-11-27T13:00:30Z")
I’m a trader hon, not Elite PVP level yet but I am learning from my mistakes I suicide ganked some T1 industrial ships in 2008 though. How can you say I misunderstand you, if you have not read what I wrote, and re-quoted what you should have already read? Seems to me, that rather than coming here for a discussion, you want to tell us what you think, and leave no room for opinions that differ from your own? > [@Charley\_Varrick](#): > > If you and your ganker buddies would have bothered to actually read what we are saying rather than hacking our posts into quote trees and leaving out key parts you might have seen that we dont want to see ganking done away with. I want it balanced. Risk vs reward. @Charley_Varrick 🙂 The quotes were mostly from others in the thread, in which they directly address the question of risk and reward and why Suicide Ganking is, or is not balanced. I tried to SHOW you what you would not HEAR, that this is friendly advice given in the spirit of playing a game, according to it’s rules. TLDR: Two questions: a) How balanced would risk/reward be for MY current form of PVP, trading, if Suicide Ganking was nerfed as the OP and yourself suggest? I made c. 1.1 billion yesterday, for 1 1/2hours ‘work’ and I am merely a baby trader, a little lowly scrub just learning the game. And Patti has not even had to train gunnery skills. b) What do you think risk/reward being ‘balanced’ actually means, in practice? EDIT @yellow_parasol I guess we need a third party website then, but who would moderate? And who separates ‘right from wrong’? Sounds a little totalitarian to me… 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Fabulous\_Rod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fabulous_rod/32/34799_2.png) [@Fabulous\_Rod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fabulous_Rod)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/773 "2017-11-27T13:01:10Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > All I can say is that the fact you are logging into Eve should mean that you are already informed about where you are and what can happen if youre not careful. prime example. You really expect people to know everything about the game before they log in? Especially something as obscure as concords reaction times? Wow 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Aergri\_Evingod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aergri_evingod/32/116437_2.png) [@Aergri\_Evingod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aergri_Evingod)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/774 "2017-11-27T13:05:10Z")
> [@Fabulous\_Rod](#): > > > [@Aaron](#): > > > > All I can say is that the fact you are logging into Eve should mean that you are already informed about where you are and what can happen if youre not careful. > > prime example. You really expect people to know everything about the game before they log in? Especially something as obscure as concords reaction times? Wow 🙄 concord reaction is know reactiontimes are uninteresting. or let’s say posthumane/humorous. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/775 "2017-11-27T13:06:34Z")
There are people with intellect and thoughtfulness, and there’s people like you. We don’t expect people to make smart decisions. We know that most aren’t smart, and CCP’s (and the whole industry’s, actually)marketing tactics are proof enough for that. What we can expect, is that you know what you sign up for (because not knowing the rules of a game you want to play **is** dumb, even you will agree to that, right?) and can live with the dumb decisions you make in the game. If you can’t, then that’s solely your problem. This game is for the smart, the daring and the strong-willied. (Hi @Ralph_King-Griffin !) _You_ can learn to grow, or just drop out like all the others before you, who were **_exactly_** like you. We’re still here. They aren’t. You’re next? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/776 "2017-11-27T13:07:56Z")
On two previous occassions I showed Rod where CONCORD reaction times (and pretty much everything else) count be accessed but these information sources werent good enough for him. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/777 "2017-11-27T13:08:42Z")
Tippia’s work lasts throughout the ages. I still miss the old professor. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/778 "2017-11-27T13:10:20Z")
That’s because it doesn’t fit his idea of reality somehow It’s a common occurrence within the ag community (and ganking haters in general) ---
**Author:** ![Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/patti_potato_patrouette/32/18901_2.png) [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Patti_Potato_Patrouette)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/779 "2017-11-27T13:11:39Z")
Lots of people have gone out of their way to offer him good advice and help with his ‘problem’ Whether he listens or not is moot because as @yellow_parasol has observed people like that tend not to stick around It does not mean the information you posted was not useful to others. Is @Fabulous_Rod’s performance not a fantastic advert for ‘how to not make friends and influence people’ in eve, and that the cost of suicide ganking is not too low? Rather than a hall of shame, we should have a separate forum where all the nerf ganking I got exploded threads get moved, when they have run their course, a compendium of sorts. ---
**Author:** ![Coralas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/coralas/32/11762_2.png) [@Coralas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Coralas)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/780 "2017-11-27T13:12:49Z")
> [@Fabulous\_Rod](#): > > > [@Coralas](#): > > > > Nope - gameplayers are known not to read manuals, > > who said anything about reading a manual? lol > > Too many people are missing the points, intentionally or unintentionally. Reading all the dumb responses from all the same people, its no wonder the game is so unpopular with a community like this. That is a sweeping generalisation and not a reasonable argument or useful fact backing up your opinion. Its also wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/patti_potato_patrouette/32/18901_2.png) [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Patti_Potato_Patrouette)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/781 "2017-11-27T13:14:15Z")
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