# The cost of suicide ganking is too low **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 17, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033 "2017-11-17T16:12:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/patti_potato_patrouette/32/18901_2.png) [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Patti_Potato_Patrouette)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/886 "2017-11-27T22:02:58Z")
Oh wonderful thanx for the intel Do you know if he has alts he actually uses in game? This is not his original character as made 2012- was his schtick always ‘I am an elite PVPer’? Is he a troll or does he believe it? Because I am happy to play with him all day when time permits, if he is a troll, as he is quite amusing, and to manage to sustain such a sustained and consistent level of idiocy across all his posts shows some finesse I guess… But if he believes it then I am getting a bit bored tbh ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/887 "2017-11-27T22:03:42Z")
I’ve had the love letters, from both him and his alt-alikes of other people. I never pissed him off enough to get my very own lookalike though 😭 ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/889 "2017-11-27T22:14:21Z")
Oh man, [i remember the days](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/message/5029042/#post5029042) ---
**Author:** ![Otto3d](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/otto3d/32/508591_2.png) [@Otto3d](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Otto3d)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/890 "2017-11-27T22:29:42Z")
Freighters now have the ability to fit their ship to help counter the attacks (reinforced bulkheads for example), there are also groups dedicated to hunt down gankers and protect the freighters too. The only thing, without changing the gameplay and ships, is to remove the ability of multiboxing as that will end the ability to play on multiple accounts at once (no more 20 alts ganking one freighter). ---
**Author:** ![Kieron\_VonDeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kieron_vondeux/32/38030_2.png) [@Kieron\_VonDeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kieron_VonDeux)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/891 "2017-11-27T22:30:01Z")
I think that one should remember that this game could be best described as a game designed by sociopaths for sociopaths, and that any posts demanding change to features that play into that mentality will simply get laughed down by those who most enjoy the existing mechanics. Why else do you think groups such as something-awful have hung around for so long. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/892 "2017-11-27T22:33:03Z")
So do I, I went and looked at another thread where I went off big style on veers in a CSM 10 thread, and Bob smiled upon me; for it was epic and not one post was modded. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/893 "2017-11-27T22:37:16Z")
Because they’re a community. something that many in here lack, apparently. This thread is great! There’s so much mindlessness around here, and so many people exposing themselves to terror, for the opportunity to raise their voices. it’s amazing! People like @Charley_Varrick, who write “what do we get when we succeed?”: YOU SURVIVE, MATE, HOW ABOUT THAT? You get to drag your ass off the field in one piece. The ganker lost the gamble and you survived. He lost his ship and FIFTEEN MINUTES OF PLAYTIME, something you also conviniently ignore, isn’t it so? How, the ■■■■, can you miss the important part? ---
**Author:** ![Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/patti_potato_patrouette/32/18901_2.png) [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Patti_Potato_Patrouette)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/894 "2017-11-27T22:39:26Z")
LOL you think SA are sociopaths LOL And thus the snake crawls back up its own bum… (do snakes have bums?) I will give you a clue, most actual sociopaths are not playing MMOs though there may be a few, the clue is in the name, That you consider blowing up an imaginary spaceship indicative of sociopathy, is both hilarious and saddening at the same time. But for all that’s holy don’t get an SA account will be an even bigger waste of £10 than usual when you discover ‘the truth’ about the evil goonz LOL Please explain, in as much detail as you can, why you feel this way? It is always good to discuss our feelings and get things off our chests… Don’t you want to play anymore? PS. I trade, but am laughing at your suggestion, what does that do for your narrative, well… nothing you had not already done with it’s presentation and delivery Patti X ❤💛💚💙💜♥ \> 💔 VENT, HEAL THOSE WOUNDS, THIS TOO SHALL PASS PS. Is getting blown up in a spaceship MMO and thinking that’s the same as being victimised by a sociopath what people mean when they talk about ’first world problems’ ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/895 "2017-11-27T22:41:23Z")
because it still happens, it will always be “no downside” as long as ganking is happening _at all_. Edit: and yes patti , snakes do have bums. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/896 "2017-11-27T22:43:33Z")
In essence you’re not far wrong, I don’t like the use of a medical term though. Eve is a dystopian game, the exact opposite of a utopia. Think 1984, Lord of the Flies, A Clockwork Orange, Brave New World, Bladerunner/Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep, etc etc. It’s not meant to be nice, it’s not meant to be easy, it’s not meant for everybody. Eve is a dog eat dog world, you’re either predator or prey; often both at once because there’s always a bigger nastier predator in the vicinity. ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/897 "2017-11-27T22:45:58Z")
its a free market sim, little to no regulation, what results is the eve we know and love/hate ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Chanisa\_Nemes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_chanisa_nemes/32/11843_2.png) [@ISD\_Chanisa\_Nemes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Chanisa_Nemes)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/898 "2017-11-27T22:46:17Z")
Just to be clear here, guys. When I said to not flag reports just because you don’t agree with them, what I mean is that I am not going to just up and delete posts because you don’t like it. If someone has a well written post in opposition to what you said, that post gets to stay. I’m not one to go all scorched earth on a thread. This isn’t the OLD forums, ya know 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/899 "2017-11-27T22:49:18Z")
> [@ISD\_Chanisa\_Nemes](#): > > I am not going to just up and delete posts because you don’t like it. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/f/8f7030eef685ebe2130115eca939adee7c89ae4b.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/patti_potato_patrouette/32/18901_2.png) [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Patti_Potato_Patrouette)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/900 "2017-11-27T22:50:39Z")
That’s two useful things I have learnt from this thread! Oh and all the ways that one can avoid SGs and that the cost is not too low… but we learnt that pretty early on You now, I think this thread is one of my favourite things right now, and I have a lot going on in my life! I think it’s the routine of it all, and the sheer inanity of those who want to argue ‘against’ the evil gankerz, who they claim are sociopaths, We even had the goonz blamed for everything like they aren’t all mining now anyway, and the Null Sec cartels, Basically this thread contains every expression of every opinion opposing Suicide Ganking ever expressed on eve-o forums since they turned on Surely someone must hold this view of suicide ganking, who does not express it in the same way and with the same words and language, in every post, as a petulant child It must be something to do with being an entitled nob, (as in door nob) or something affecting their language capabilities, or perhaps indicative of actual age or rather emotional age? Because we are talking about a ■■■■■■■ exploding space ship are we not? lol sociopathy ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/901 "2017-11-27T22:51:33Z")
> [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](#): > > I will give you a clue, most actual sociopaths are not playing MMOs though there may be a few, the clue is in the name, No. We’re not sociophobe. We have the ability to outmeta others who blindly follow social norms and rules. We observe you and we strategise about how we can manipulate you. We usually enjoy human interaction a LOT, too! All we do differently, is not living inside the cage society, culture and politics has built around most minds, which in return causes bad apples to put a red flag onto everyone. We’re usually highly introspective and appreciate someone who shares the ability to question ones self, or the things around us. and it’s important to remember that most people can’t even differentiate between a sociopath and a psychopath. That is all, please carry on. I wished i had more time to read. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/patti_potato_patrouette/32/18901_2.png) [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Patti_Potato_Patrouette)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/902 "2017-11-27T22:52:17Z")
Please tell Patti if you delete her words x ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/903 "2017-11-27T22:57:16Z")
oh this thread isnt just _this_ thread, this one is perpetually going on, different faces but the same words. there always has been and always will be _this_ thread we can even have the whole argument [autonomously, without the bears](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/message/4791324/#post4791324) ---
**Author:** ![Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/patti_potato_patrouette/32/18901_2.png) [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Patti_Potato_Patrouette)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/904 "2017-11-27T23:02:10Z")
But your description would be a very high functioning sociopath (or person suffering from APD, depending on nomenclature) or indeed a psychopath The anti-social tendencies bit can make it quite difficult for a lot of people with APD or Sociopathy to get on with people and groups, not all are charming and effective manipulators, indeed I really feel for the sociopaths I have met who were NOT able to manipulate others as they thought they could, did not have the insight to realise this, they are mostly in prison unfortunately For instance the behaviour of @Fabulous_Rod in this thread shows feature of anti-social behaviour of the type I am talking about > [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > All we do differently, is not living inside the cage society, culture and politics has built around most minds, which in return causes bad apples to put a red flag onto everyone. Well I don’t live in that cage, because I am oblivious to it lol, but am not a sociopath Patti is a goddamn psychopath though but who knew ---
**Author:** ![Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/patti_potato_patrouette/32/18901_2.png) [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Patti_Potato_Patrouette)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/905 "2017-11-27T23:02:54Z")
Like there is only one version of ‘Dark Star’ sorry for deadhead reference ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/906 "2017-11-27T23:03:43Z")
Oh god, the shitfit thread. You weren’t kidding when you said you’d bookmarked it for future use… 3 years later… I miss UAE, and Mr Muffin; also Sybil, Mags and random tea cosy shenanigans. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033.md?page=43) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033.md?page=45)