# The cost of suicide ganking is too low **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 17, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033 "2017-11-17T16:12:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![Charley\_Varrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/charley_varrick/32/134094_2.png) [@Charley\_Varrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Charley_Varrick)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/907 "2017-11-27T23:05:41Z")
Congrats guys I guess I got forum ganked! 3 quote trees back to back. Think I’ll stay docked for a while. Oh, and you havn’t changed my views. I’m just too tired to reply to all that. ---
**Author:** ![Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/patti_potato_patrouette/32/18901_2.png) [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Patti_Potato_Patrouette)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/908 "2017-11-27T23:08:09Z")
OMG > [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](#): > > this one is perpetually going on, different faces but the same words. > > there always has been and always will be this thread > > we can even have the whole argument autonomously, without the bears That’s incredible. I have asked at least 6 times on these forums ‘Is Irony still a thing in eve’ or is it all serious instead of seriousbusiness? I for one am a happy camper (PS 2014 is recent for me) ---
**Author:** ![Kieron\_VonDeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kieron_vondeux/32/38030_2.png) [@Kieron\_VonDeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kieron_VonDeux)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/910 "2017-11-27T23:11:56Z")
I agree with that, but that single term in its general context and not its specific medical application can easily replace whole paragraphs of descriptive text regarding the game environment one would find in this game. Knowing that ahead of time would probably help new players set their own expectations. Note I said, could be best described as, not “is”. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/911 "2017-11-27T23:14:06Z")
you two, stop being civil on the forums! ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/912 "2017-11-27T23:16:05Z")
I do wonder how he’d behave in a personal conversation about this topic. re sociopathy you’re probably right. i’d have to dig too deep into the history. ever since the term got muddled up with “personality disorders” i believe thinks went out of control. there must be reasons why people treat sociopaths and psychopaths the same. Also, i’m biased, and believe that Rod is much worse. i guess i classify non-functioning sociopaths as psychopaths, mostly because they feel no empathy and no regret whatsoever. Aaanyhow, not gonna argue. You’re likely right. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/913 "2017-11-27T23:16:07Z")
Ah that’s fair enough, it’s just a word that gets misused and thrown about to describe people playing the game within the rules set down by CCP. I’ve no doubt that there are sociopaths that do play Eve, just as you’ll find them in every other game and in all walks of life. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/914 "2017-11-27T23:35:22Z")
And to you sir 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/915 "2017-11-28T00:11:58Z")
Capitalism run amok, good examples would be the Tyrell Corporation from Bladerunner and Weyland Yutani from Alien, both would fit right into Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/917 "2017-11-28T08:59:39Z")
Is it my imagination ? A bunch of people, all having the same agreement on the topic, decided to make it rot so nobody could express his opinion ? So uncivil, so disrespect. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/918 "2017-11-28T09:15:21Z")
This has devolved to some schoolyard level ■■■■■■■■. I suppose thats what some people want. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/919 "2017-11-28T10:09:52Z")
You’re mistaken. The topic is done, for idontknowhowmanyposts now. If you don’t believe it, i suggest reading through it. Furthermore, when people lack the requirements to actually discuss the topic, then there isn’t much to discuss. Uninformed opinions are not worth being considered, they just add a lot of words, and a lot of responses, yet nothing comes out of it when the person with the uninformed opinion refuses to realize his own uninformedness. Not sure if that’s a word, but now it is. 😁 Example, Charly up there. He asks what he wins when he survives the gank. He voices his unqualified opinion, not even understanding what he’s talking about. If he did, then he’d know that he literally won by **not getting ■■■■■■■ ganked** , but the concepts of **self responsibility and survival** are apparently completely foreign to him. How do you expect people to discuss with those who refuse to understand the very topic they’re talking about? What we havehere is equal to flat earthers running around believing dumb ■■■■ and insisting that they are right. Thesearen’t smart people and anyone who isn’t smart enough to discuss a topic should at least be **willing to listen and learn**. The world is in this state, because dumb, uninformed people get to choose who our leaders are. In EVE, we don’t let them decide the fate of the virtual world we live in. Instead we do things how they should be done IRL: We don’t let instinct driven, ignorant, irrational and princess-esque special snowflakes get to decide the fate of everyone else. Most humans are capable of protecting themselves, and they do not need a Big Brother to protect them. And that’s all it boils down to. There are people who grew up in degenerated ways, never learning how to deal with actual problems themselves. They instead cry to mommy/daddy/big brother, until they get what they want. In this case it’s more protection. They literally want other people to change the game for them, because they refuse what tens of thousands of others had no problem with. Self protection. Roddybaby even calls it “tedious and annoying”, revealing how degenerated he has become and how he relies on authority to protect him, as if he was a stupid animal… and that’s how he behaves as well. That’s not intelligent behaviour. It simply isn’t. If there was a major, continent wide powerout resulting in lack of food, they’d be the first to run to Big Brother, while I’d be the first to kill them, because they’d guarantee my survival. The same applies to EVE, but in every day Life. Someone who complains for protection in a game about economy and survival will not manage to actually deal withthe real world when there is no one around to protect them. Roddybaby is a prime example of a human being completely disconnected from his nature. The only reason why this thread even exists, is because his inflated sense of himself got kicked back into reality: someone shot him down. It is, literally, about some stupid’s ego that fails to deal with the fact that he got bested. There is nothing more to discuss. Everything even remotely intelligent has been covered already. Your feelings are irrelevant, as only survival of the fittest/smartestadaptable matters. And that’s what people sign up for. if you sign up for EVE not knowing it’s how it is, then that’s your fault. If you play a game of chess and demand the rules to be changed to your liking, then you’re stupid. The same applies for EVE as well I dare you to write something actually intelligent, that addresses what this topic is actually about: - self responsibility - self protection - survival Or just go back to WoW, where you totalitatians belong. (i’m not going to address this, and iam absolutely certain that you do not understand what that means. Rest assured that the label is 100% spot on). Have a nice day anyway. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/920 "2017-11-28T10:12:07Z")
_Standing ovation_ ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/921 "2017-11-28T10:25:09Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/b/9b56bc7fc62ead48a14989c6baa3830cb863b790.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/patti_potato_patrouette/32/18901_2.png) [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Patti_Potato_Patrouette)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/922 "2017-11-28T10:30:01Z")
Personally, I do not think this topic would have ended this way if only yourself and @Salvos_Rhoska had been discussing it with ‘us’, as you were not so rude and uncivilised, that you got the same back, its all on topic though. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > This has devolved to some schoolyard level ■■■■■■■■. I suppose thats what some people want. See above, I might enjoy discussing the vagaries of SG with you and others who can have a discussion, but once we start at the beginning with another badly worded variation of the OP Which is his third thread on the same subject And someone else has already opened another with ‘virtually’ the same OP, who may be an alt of FABROD or not The whole thing has become what it always already was, a farce and a demonstration Thus it remains ![ouroborosblowjob](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/b/3b7e7e892e8d82b3aee259bf74fdfbd0b58de483.png) I hope no @Salvos_Rhoska & @Anderson_Geten were harmed in the making of this production? Would love to discuss actually calculating the actual cost of an actual gank, or bumping mechanics with you, but this is not the thread, given its devolution which one must blame on the OP for mass flagging everyone who disagreed with him sock puppeting and just general internet asshattery ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/923 "2017-11-28T10:33:05Z")
> [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](#): > > I do not think this topic would have ended oh don’t worry, it hasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/924 "2017-11-28T10:43:54Z")
The problem isn’t even that people keep making threads. It’s that those who know better keep creating an environment which helps the ill minded to prosper. I absolutely believe that not every opinion is valid and important, unlike most people, especially those who benefit from this ill view on existence the most: those who don’t know how to form an informed opinion in the first place, and those who abuse the priviledge (!) of free speech like roddybaby. We give our attention to those who deserve it the least, and that that’s not a good approach can be seen in this very thread. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/925 "2017-11-28T11:22:05Z")
> [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](#): > > I hope no @Salvos_Rhoska & @Anderson_Geten were harmed in the making of this production? No, we wherent harmed, I dont think. But the shiptoasting by others buried our efforts in a stack of steaming ■■■■. Especially Andersons invaluable tests/results on bump mechanics. Im quite genuinely mad that nobody seems to give him credit for that. Fortunately I bookmarked them before they sunk in the thread. I miss the 90s. This ■■■■ would never have flown in forum culture back then. We have to make atleast a superficial attempt to keep forum culture at a reasonable level. Otherwise we will all just be swimming in ■■■■. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/926 "2017-11-28T11:27:33Z")
> [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > _(excellent post; use link)_ ‘uninformedness’ = ‘ignorance’? The word doesn’t have to have pejorative overtones; it is simply an adjective. I, for example, am ignorant of matters horticultural, but I’m not just generally ‘ignorant’. Well… Later in your post you do, in fact, use that very same word, and correctly. Be bold Mr Parasol, and call a spade a spade! ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/927 "2017-11-28T11:29:31Z")
> **[Horticulture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horticulture)** > > Horticulture has been defined as the culture of plants for food, comfort and beauty. A more precise definition can be given as "The cultivation, processing, and sale of fruits, nuts, vegetables, ornamental plants, and flowers as well as many additional services". It also includes plant conservation, landscape restoration, soil management, landscape and garden design, construction, and maintenance, and arboriculture. In contrast to agriculture, horticulture does not include large-scale crop Horti... Patti, how are your “water” levels? 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/928 "2017-11-28T11:39:22Z")
> [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > [Horticulture - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horticulture) My ignorance is actually rather embarrassing. I come partly from a family of farmers (mum’s side), however every plant I’ve ever tried to grow has shrivelled up and died. I’ve not the gift, I guess; and without the gift, the information is…unattractive. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033.md?page=44) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033.md?page=46)