# The cost of suicide ganking is too low **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 17, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033 "2017-11-17T16:12:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sindara_t_soni/32/242945_2.png) [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sindara_T_Soni)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/991 "2017-11-28T14:24:25Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Gankers go for the low hanging fruit. The afk, the untanked, the lazy and the greedy or any combination thereof are their primary prey. Exactly as it should be. Natural selection. Survival of the fittest. Let us not go too far when it comes to protecting the weakest, lest we undo evolution completely. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/992 "2017-11-28T14:24:48Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > what he means is, you uncloak at 10 km (?) from the gate, which is 15km radius, you can go up to 50km from the freighter. I see. Point being in large part that the escort doesnt know where the escorted vessel is while cloaked. Understood. A Loki or Rapier however is not a fiscally practical option, as its cost will usually exceed that of the entire gank fleet. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/993 "2017-11-28T14:25:54Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Point being in large part that the escort doesnt know where the escorted vessel is while cloaked. This is a non-issue and easily communicatable. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/994 "2017-11-28T14:27:14Z")
Why wouldnt you pop a web on a disposable 4000mps condor? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/995 "2017-11-28T14:28:16Z")
> [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](#): > > > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > > > Gankers go for the low hanging fruit. The afk, the untanked, the lazy and the greedy or any combination thereof are their primary prey. > > Exactly as it should be. Natural selection. Survival of the fittest. > > Let us not go too far when it comes to protecting the weakest, lest we undo evolution completely. If AG ran hired escort fleets, those targets would not be low hanging fruit. The issue now, is whether that is even fiscally possible, or whether the HS sandbox is broken in that player intervention in a gank cant outstrip the set CONCORD magnitude vs gank. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/996 "2017-11-28T14:30:34Z")
As I explained, this issue is easily avoidable by bouncing to a tack then back to the freighter. It however requires more time. And don’t warp at 0… In case you don’t have a tack, just warp to the closest celestial, drop a BM on the way, warp back to the BM. Frigates are fast enough for this. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/997 "2017-11-28T14:43:38Z")
> [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Point being in large part that the escort doesnt know where the escorted vessel is while cloaked. > > This is a non-issue and easily communicatable. Is it? Manageable, perhaps, but a non-issue? Surely this is an issue for the escort/escorted? Otherwise why would Jonah have recommended expensive advanced web bonused ships for it? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/998 "2017-11-28T14:46:21Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > As I explained, this issue is easily avoidable by bouncing to a tack then back to the freighter. What is a “tack”? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/999 "2017-11-28T14:47:53Z")
A TACtical BookMark. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/1000 "2017-11-28T14:51:56Z")
When people are unable to simply communicate their position on the gate, relative to the one central star in every system, then they have bigger issues. Why can these people not think for themselves? The area around the gate is a cube. You have 8 corners, which are all that’s important. As there needs to be at least one object that can be relied upon to always be around in every single system, the local star will be used as reference. The direction from the Gate to the Star will always be “forward”. This makes it stupidly easy to declare which corner of the imaginary cube around the gate is the closest one. Then you declare shorts, to save on time typing, like this: FTL = Forward Top Left BBR = Back Bottom Right L = Left etc.etc. See, the _actual_ issue here is that all that happens here, right now, is that these people should not need to learn this. They should be able to think for themselves. They can’t. Anderson does not actually creatively think about how to solve problems, instead we continuously get to read that “things can’t be done” or “don’t work” and it is _us_ who have to come up with solutions for her, which by itself is another gigantic waste of time that achieves _nothing_. That is not how it should work, and that is not how AG will ever turn into something of value. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/1001 "2017-11-28T14:55:01Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > A TACtical BookMark. Thanks, I figured that but wanted to be certain. So you are proposing that one bounce off the nearby tactical bookmark (as near as possible), and time it so that the escorted vessel decloaks to align just intime for you to warp to 0 on it to web it. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/1002 "2017-11-28T14:55:13Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Otherwise why would Jonah have recommended expensive advanced web bonused ships for it? Where did I do this? Any T1 frigate with a couple of webs is all you need to sling a freighter into warp, backwards. Yes, there are better, and considerably more expensive options available, but a belts and braces approach is better than none. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/1003 "2017-11-28T14:57:52Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Where did I do this? Any T1 frigate with a couple of webs is all you need to sling a freighter into warp, backwards. You recommended Loki/Rapier here: > [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](#): > > a loki or rapier would be better (range) but yeah, those work. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/1004 "2017-11-28T14:59:01Z")
I am not @Ralph_King-Griffin ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/1005 "2017-11-28T14:59:29Z")
Touche. Mea culpa. Do you agree with Ralph? ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Falcon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_falcon/32/143229_2.png) [@CCP\_Falcon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Falcon)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/1006 "2017-11-28T15:00:15Z")
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**Author:** ![CCP\_Falcon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_falcon/32/143229_2.png) [@CCP\_Falcon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Falcon)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/1007 "2017-11-28T15:00:42Z")
This thread has gone far beyond its original purpose and has devolved into trolling and personal attacks. Closed, don’t re-open it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033.md?page=48)