# The council of the Intellectuals **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141 "2019-12-07T20:50:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalodote_lafisques/32/388261_2.png) [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalodote_Lafisques)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/1 "2019-12-07T20:50:12Z")
> [@You have to fight for what you believe in](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/49): > > One day we should organize some pacific discussion session without the chance that would degenerate in another argument especially in these kind of threads that could start with a good purpose of exchange of opinions… Re-thinking about that. Let’s try to start a similar thing. Immediately speaking this topic doesn’t replace the Off Topic threads and is intended to be just a peaceful place to talk about our differences, our similarities, our strength points and weak points. For any questions and talks that you want to expect a peaceful response without any flame and insults, just use this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2019, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/2 "2019-12-07T23:27:13Z")
> [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](#): > > Re-thinking about that. Let’s try to start a similar thing. > > Immediately speaking this topic doesn’t replace the Off Topic threads and is intended to be just a peaceful place to talk about our differences, our similarities, our strength points and weak points. For any questions and talks that you want to expect a peaceful response without any flame and insults, just use this thread. Ah … I’m not sure such a thing should be limited to “intellectuals,” Mr. Lafisques, but, okay. Let’s try it this way. ---
**Author:** ![Maria\_Daphiti](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maria_daphiti/32/322573_2.png) [@Maria\_Daphiti](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maria_Daphiti)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2019, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/3 "2019-12-08T00:15:09Z")
What are the qualifications to be an “intellectual”? ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2019, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/4 "2019-12-08T00:36:00Z")
Well … from context, apparently: “being interested in talking about stuff people might get mad about without getting mad about it.” … which might not even be a terrible working definition, come to think of it. (It does seem like the topic name needs work, though.) ---
**Author:** ![Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalodote_lafisques/32/388261_2.png) [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalodote_Lafisques)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2019, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/5 "2019-12-08T07:57:39Z")
> [@Maria\_Daphiti](#): > > What are the qualifications to be an “intellectual”? First of all: not transforming any discussion in a verbalized typical Caldari competitive sport. Secondly: Have the nerves to tolerate and respect every kind of opinion, even the most brutals. It doesn’t matter the example you will propose. Just respect it and show your anti-thesis politely Thirdly: Before talking, learn about the topic in question. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2019, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/6 "2019-12-08T08:31:29Z")
> [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](#): > > Secondly: Have the nerves to tolerate and respect every kind of opinion, even the most brutals. It doesn’t matter the example you will propose. Just respect it and show your anti-thesis politely I wouldn’t call “tolerating and respecting” literally _any and every_ idea “intellectual.” Some ideas aren’t polite no matter how you phrase them and thus don’t deserve politeness themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalodote_lafisques/32/388261_2.png) [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalodote_Lafisques)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2019, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/7 "2019-12-08T08:36:55Z")
They couldn’t be polite but responding that with his same brutality makes your opinion brutal too. If your thought must be worthy to be polite, you have to show his respect even at similar opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ange_des_larmes/32/304752_2.png) [@Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ange_des_Larmes)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2019, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/8 "2019-12-08T09:15:36Z")
With all due respect, sir, a fedo is, as some believe, the cleanest form of live in the cluster. That is a polite arguement but I would hasten before calling it intellectual. ---
**Author:** ![Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalodote_lafisques/32/388261_2.png) [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalodote_Lafisques)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2019, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/9 "2019-12-08T09:19:57Z")
Very well. This being respects your opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Sahriah\_BloodStone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahriah_bloodstone/32/174915_2.png) [@Sahriah\_BloodStone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahriah_BloodStone)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 4:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/10 "2019-12-12T04:53:51Z")
You shall find very few truly willing to agree to an exchange of knowledge without some form of degeneration being inserted into the conversation. Most people would rather live a life of self-deceit and comfort than to challenge their minds with such things. However should such a circle of people exist, I would most certainly be inclined to explore it. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/11 "2019-12-12T06:02:16Z")
> [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](#): > > First of all: not transforming any discussion in a verbalized typical Caldari competitive sport. > Secondly: Have the nerves to tolerate and respect every kind of opinion, even the most brutals. It doesn’t matter the example you will propose. Just respect it and show your anti-thesis politely > Thirdly: Before talking, learn about the topic in question. I would add fourth: Argue against thesis only, and never against author bringing it. And I say that’s the most important one, since ones who descend into attacking author instead of ideas usually show they lack actual argument. For me ones who commit that once in argument with me, are stepping over the line, after which I don’t consider them… using your word, “Intellectual”, and just try to attack them back at any opportunity to overfeed them with their own medicine. The main problem, however, stands: how are you going to enforce this rules and prevent the discussion from being, for example, arrendized and from certain speakers be called sockpuppets, meatpuppets, etc, how would you prevent it from groundless accusations against other speakers? Since CONCORD, actually, doesn’t react on that, apparently. If you know the way, then please teach me, a lot of my own discussions were sabotaged by persons who break like all the rules possible! ---
**Author:** ![Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalodote_lafisques/32/388261_2.png) [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalodote_Lafisques)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/12 "2019-12-12T11:41:06Z")
> [@Sahriah\_BloodStone](#): > > You shall find very few truly willing to agree to an exchange of knowledge without some form of degeneration being inserted into the conversation. Most people would rather live a life of self-deceit and comfort than to challenge their minds with such things. > > However should such a circle of people exist, I would most certainly be inclined to explore it. Very well. In any case there are still some who want to talk peacefully without any aggressive tendencies. > [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > I would add fourth: > Argue against thesis only, and never against author bringing it. > > And I say that’s the most important one, since ones who descend into attacking author instead of ideas usually show they lack actual argument. For me ones who commit that once in argument with me, are stepping over the line, after which I don’t consider them… using your word, “Intellectual”, and just try to attack them back at any opportunity to overfeed them with their own medicine. > > The main problem, however, stands: how are you going to enforce this rules and prevent the discussion from being, for example, arrendized and from certain speakers be called sockpuppets, meatpuppets, etc, how would you prevent it from groundless accusations against other speakers? Since CONCORD, actually, doesn’t react on that, apparently. If you know the way, then please teach me, a lot of my own discussions were sabotaged by persons who break like all the rules possible! Already placed. Re-read the introduction text. This being has his methods to enforce the rules in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/13 "2019-12-12T21:05:37Z")
> [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](#): > > This being has his methods to enforce the rules in this thread. Ominous. I look forward to watching those being tested repeatedly. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/14 "2019-12-12T21:55:36Z")
> [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](#): > > This being has his methods to enforce the rules in this thread. Just make sure your methods are polite, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/15 "2019-12-12T22:17:22Z")
This being has doubts. Still, if this is something we’re going to try-- first topic? We might as well start talking and hammer the rest out as we go. ---
**Author:** ![Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalodote_lafisques/32/388261_2.png) [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalodote_Lafisques)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/16 "2019-12-13T19:57:27Z")
If you find something interesting to talk about it, put it here; like the Off-Topic Thread. ---
**Author:** ![Sahriah\_BloodStone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahriah_bloodstone/32/174915_2.png) [@Sahriah\_BloodStone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahriah_BloodStone)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2019, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/17 "2019-12-14T07:22:50Z")
Surely _you_ must have something interesting to start us off with Mr. Lafisques? I’d be delighted to know what fascinating topics might interest you. ---
**Author:** ![Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalodote_lafisques/32/388261_2.png) [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalodote_Lafisques)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2019, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/18 "2019-12-14T10:02:42Z")
This being has already invited some people go talk about their topics here. Seems they aren’t coming. He will see what to propose in the future… ---
**Author:** ![Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/charles_cambridge_schmidt/32/372217_2.png) [@Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Charles_Cambridge_Schmidt)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/19 "2019-12-14T18:54:26Z")
I see and hear the idea of having a council of intellectuals to discuss things intellectually. However, the idea of what may be intellectual or who qualifies as an intellectual is distinctly vague; in lieu of this, I propose a counter offer. There should be an equal and opposite Council of Buffoons. As the most notable idiot on the IGS and in space, I decree my position as the head of this new council. Every court needs a jester, after all, and what better than a flock of jesters to pick apart pseudo intellectualism and sophistry masquerading as intellectualisms and/or intellectuals, or whatever? Seriously, though, I do mean it. But as for the idea of this council in general, it helps to kick it off with a topic. ---
**Author:** ![Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalodote_lafisques/32/388261_2.png) [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalodote_Lafisques)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141/20 "2019-12-14T19:33:34Z")
Isn’t the Off Topic thread already that? [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-council-of-the-intellectuals/205141.md?page=2)