# The CSM 13 Winter Summit Minutes are out **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [October 2, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726 "2018-10-02T20:37:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 182
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3669 "2018-10-25T12:34:45Z")
Don’t try to deflect lol You specifically said > [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > you always plug your resist hole. Which isn’t true in a whole lot of situations 😂 You can’t back up your arguments on this toon either, you get smacked by a CSM and ISD on it too. Maybe you should [quote=“Norian\_Rever, post:54, topic:110662”] in 48hrs I will donate the SP I have remaining, and then biomass all characters and terminate all accounts via contact to CCP. This is it for me. My time here is over, and I’m never coming back. [/quote] _cough_ ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3670 "2018-10-25T12:37:00Z")
> [@Annah\_Tsero](#): > > Don’t try to deflect lol I answered your question. You asked how I fit Garmur or Caracal. I dont fly Garmur or Caracal, thus I have never fitted them. You avoided my question how you fit T1 haulers. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3671 "2018-10-25T12:45:15Z")
I don’t fly T1 haulers for pretty obvious reasons 😂 Anywho, since you can’t prove that everyone always plugs their resist holes, anything further you add will be considered irrelevant to the conversation ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3672 "2018-10-25T12:51:23Z")
I don’t always plug my resist holes. Polarized Typhoon Fleet Issue FTW! ---
**Author:** ![Penance\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/penance_toralen/32/244089_2.png) [@Penance\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Penance_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3673 "2018-10-25T12:53:58Z")
This is how you fit T1 Haulers. watch and learn. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3674 "2018-10-25T14:05:54Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > Like wrecking a CSM candidacy thread with spam reporting. Awww, and here you were insisting it _wasn’t_ you, Salvos. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3675 "2018-10-25T14:07:52Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > > [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > > > Like wrecking a CSM candidacy thread with spam reporting. > > Awww, and here you were insisting it _wasn’t_ you, Salvos. I saw it happen. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3676 "2018-10-25T14:12:44Z")
Sure. ---
**Author:** ![Iowa\_Banshee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iowa_banshee/32/218394_2.png) [@Iowa\_Banshee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iowa_Banshee)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3677 "2018-10-25T14:33:50Z")
As a victim, watching your ship get scanned without anything you can do about it feels bad… ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3678 "2018-10-25T14:35:04Z")
> [@Iowa\_Banshee](#): > > As a victim, watching your ship get scanned without anything you can do about it feels bad… Scanning fit or cargo in HS should be a suspect act unless at war with them. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3679 "2018-10-25T14:47:21Z")
Yes, because ‘you’re looking at me funny’ is _always_ a good reason to shoot someone. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3680 "2018-10-25T14:51:53Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Yes, because ‘you’re looking at me funny’ is _always_ a good reason to shoot someone. This is HS we are talking about. What business do you have scanning the fit or cargo of a ship, unless you intend to commit a crime? That you go suspect for that act in HS, doesnt mean defacto you will be shot at either. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3681 "2018-10-25T15:01:08Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > What business do you have scanning the fit or cargo of a ship, unless you intend to commit a crime? > > That you go suspect for that act in HS, doesnt mean defacto you will be shot at either. To the first bit: Maybe you’re curious about how to fit ships and you don’t know to look things up on zkill. You know, like newbies might not know. To the second: So what? ‘You looked at someone funny so _anyone_ can shoot you’ isn’t ok just because people don’t _always_ shoot the person. That’s just ridiculous on the face of it. It’s ok to shoot someone because we know you won’t? Can you please, _please_, just try to say _something_ that isn’t completely boneheaded? ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3682 "2018-10-25T15:02:52Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Can you please, _please_ , just try to say _something_ that isn’t completely boneheaded? If I see you walking down a street, peering into each parked cars window to see whats in there for something valuable, you are definitely a suspect with intent to commit a criminal act. Only legal authorities have the right to inspect a vehicle, and even then only in terms of crime prevention. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3683 "2018-10-25T15:05:12Z")
… _and you’re allowed to shoot them_? The ‘suspect’ flag in EVE isn’t ‘I suspect you may have bad intents’ it’s ‘a crime **has been committed** and this is the guy’. So we’re calling that a ‘no’, on the ‘not boneheaded’ thing then. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3684 "2018-10-25T15:05:49Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > … _and you’re allowed to shoot them_? Yes, in EVE you are allowed to shoot suspects. Without a wardec in HS, you have no business scanning someones fit or cargo. That you would do so, implicitly means you have intent to illegally aggress them, flagging you as suspect. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3685 "2018-10-25T15:09:05Z")
You’re allowed to shoot people who are suspects **because they have committed a crime**. The ‘criminal’ flag is ‘CONCORD will intervene if you come into HS’. > [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > Without a wardec in HS, you have no business scanning someones fit or cargo. > That you would do so, implicitly means you have intent to illegally aggress them. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Maybe you’re curious about how to fit ships and you don’t know to look things up on zkill. You know, like newbies might not know. Gosh, it’s nice to know newbies mean to aggress everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3686 "2018-10-25T15:09:41Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > You’re allowed to shoot people who are suspects **because they have committed a crime**. The ‘criminal’ flag is ‘CONCORD will intervene if you come into HS’. False. Suspect and criminal flag are different. I am saying scanning a ship for its fit or cargo, if you are not at war should cause a suspect flag. Its an invasive inquiry with intent to commit a future crime. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3687 "2018-10-25T15:12:25Z")
Yeah, no crap. That’s why I **just** pointed out the difference there. A ‘criminal’ flag does not mean ‘you have committed a crime’, it means ‘you have committed a crime CONCORD will intervene over’. ‘Suspect’ means ‘you have committed a crime’. It does **not** mean ‘you are suspected of intending to commit a crime’. You know what you can do to people you _suspect_ of intending to commit a crime in HS? NOT A DAMNED THING. Sitting next to someone else’s can and _opening_ it doesn’t give the flag. Only **stealing from it** does. Why? **Because you have to commit the crime to get a suspect flag**. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3688 "2018-10-25T15:16:53Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Interceptor roams. Lets all go 40 jumps through null to avoid fighting anything that threatens us to blow up one epithal full of PI and some dude AFK in a vexor. its not much different in any other ship class unless your slow enough to get hotdropped on. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726.md?page=181) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726.md?page=183)