# The CSM 13 Winter Summit Minutes are out **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [October 2, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726 "2018-10-02T20:37:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 183
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3689 "2018-10-25T15:17:21Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > you are definitely a suspect with intent to commit a criminal act. Lmao If you like cars, like real nice looking cars most people will take a look inside because they’re curious 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3690 "2018-10-25T15:18:55Z")
thats why im always looking into wimmins bedrooms from outside, is only natural… ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3691 "2018-10-25T15:27:44Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > You know what you can do to people you _suspect_ of intending to commit a crime in HS? > > NOT A DAMNED THING. In EVE, players can shoot suspects. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3692 "2018-10-25T15:29:09Z")
Yes, my little moron, in EVE, you can shoot someone with the Suspect flag. This is different from shooting someone you suspect has intentions of committing a crime. Congratulations, you have now been maneuvered into pointing out exactly the thing that is stupid about your proposal. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3693 "2018-10-25T15:31:31Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > my little moron Insult against rules. > [@Arrendis](#): > > you can shoot someone with the Suspect flag Yes. > [@Arrendis](#): > > This is different from shooting someone you suspect has intentions of committing a crime. As I said, scanning a ships fit or cargo, without wardec, would be a suspect flag act. You have no business peering into another players fit or cargo in HS, without a war. If you walk down a street looking into car windows, police and citizens will consider you a suspect intent on committing a crime to violence against the car to get at what is in it. In EVE suspects can be shot. If you dont want to be shot, dont scan players fit or cargo in HS without a wardec. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3694 "2018-10-25T15:34:47Z")
You know the fun thing here? @Proteus_Onzo _Salvos_ can’t prove us wrong 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3695 "2018-10-25T15:54:20Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > If you walk down a street looking into car windows, police and citizens will consider you a suspect intent on committing a crime to violence against the car to get at what is in it. > > In EVE suspects can be shot. This is conflating two _different_ uses of ‘suspect’. The first is someone you suspect of intending to commit a crime. The second is someone who is suspected of _having_ committed a crime. In EVE, you can shoot people who _have committed crimes_, and so gotten the ‘suspect’ flag. You are advocating making ‘he looked at me funny’ a crime. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3696 "2018-10-25T15:58:23Z")
I’m role playing a customs officer. Leave me and my role playing alone. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3697 "2018-10-25T16:05:46Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > In EVE, you can shoot people who _have committed crimes_ , and so gotten the ‘suspect’ flag. You are advocating making ‘he looked at me funny’ a crime. Wrong. Suspect and criminal flags are separate. I proposed that scanning a ships fit or cargo in HS, without a wardec, would be a SUSPECT flag, not a CRIMINAL flag. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3698 "2018-10-25T17:58:22Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > Suspect and criminal flags are separate. :sigh: > [@Arrendis](#): > > A ‘criminal’ flag does not mean ‘you have committed a crime’, it means ‘you have committed a crime CONCORD will intervene over’. ‘Suspect’ means ‘you have committed a crime’. It does **not** mean ‘you are suspected of intending to commit a crime’. _Try_ to keep up. I know it’s hard, but if the hamsters can do it, I’m almost positive you can, too. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3699 "2018-10-25T18:45:31Z")
still no reason to take nullification away from interceptors… ---
**Author:** ![Iowa\_Banshee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iowa_banshee/32/218394_2.png) [@Iowa\_Banshee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iowa_Banshee)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3700 "2018-10-25T21:19:05Z")
As a victim, watching your bubble get flown through without anything you can do about it feels bad… ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3701 "2018-10-25T21:22:58Z")
Could be worse… > **[Sabre | Xezox | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/70662907/)** > > Xezox (Total Mayhem.) lost their Sabre in 9GYL-O (Syndicate) Total Value: 107,885,647.25 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3702 "2018-10-25T21:26:33Z")
Guess you didn’t need that bubble immunity anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3703 "2018-10-25T21:27:23Z")
For hit and run it comes in handy, but i would venture to say you dont need it gone either. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3704 "2018-10-26T07:45:10Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > ‘Suspect’ means ‘you have committed a crime’. In EVE, it says this in the timer window: “Cause- Committed a “suspect”- level offense.” Scanning ships for fit and cargo if not at war with target can easily be added to that list of suspect level offenses. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3705 "2018-10-26T07:57:29Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > Scanning ships for fit and cargo if not at war with target can easily be added to that list of suspect level offenses. Undocking with a cargo of over 100 million could also easily be added to that list of suspect level offences. That doesn’t make it a good idea just because it could be added. Scanning a ship can be done for a great many reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3706 "2018-10-26T09:02:06Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Scanning a ship can be done for a great many reasons. Its an intrusive non-consensual inspection of another ships fit and cargo in everycase. Suspect flag wont prevent you from scanning in HS or LS, nor scanning war targets, which wont incur a suspect flag. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3707 "2018-10-26T09:05:15Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > Its an intrusive non-consensual inspection of another ships fit and cargo in everycase. No it isn’t. There is no intrusion. You can even do it without yellow boxing them, if they don’t even know it happened then it by definition can’t be intrusive. Certainly it is non consensual, but so is bumping, so is mining a rock out from under someone, so is shooting the rat before they kill it and taking the loot because the kill is ‘theirs’. All of these things are non consensual yet we don’t make any of these suspect flag offences. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3708 "2018-10-26T09:07:51Z")
Its none of your business what someone elses fit or cargo is. There should be a cost for inspecting them. Ie: Suspect flag. Lets be real, the only people that will affect is suicide gankers cherrypicking targets in HS, and they are a small group. They can still scan, but will go suspect for doing so. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726.md?page=182) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726.md?page=184)