# The CSM 13 Winter Summit Minutes are out **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [October 2, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726 "2018-10-02T20:37:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 188
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3789 "2018-10-30T16:44:40Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > If they open your hood or boot to inspect the engine or cargo, that is illegal, and you can defend your property with force. You cannot legally shoot someone for opening your car hood. You can use ‘force’ in that you can push them away and restrain them from your car, but you cannot use disproportionate force. Until they take a swing, you can’t take a swing. Until they offer credible threat of serious injury, you can’t involve a weapon. Doing so opens you up to criminal charges of your own. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3790 "2018-10-30T16:48:35Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > You can use ‘force’ in that you can push them away and restrain them from your car, but you cannot use disproportionate force. This is ■■■■■■■■. Lets say Im a 80yr old lady, and you are a 25yr old man that has illegally opened the hood or boot of my car. I have zero option of force o push you away or restraining you after you have already committed a crime against me and my property. The bottomline here, is you have no business or right, at all, to scan the personal ship data of another player regarding fit or cargo. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3791 "2018-10-30T16:51:10Z")
Are you a lawyer Salvos? If you’re not, refrain from talking idiocies out of your arse… ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3792 "2018-10-30T17:11:56Z")
We all know that scanning fits/cargo becoming suspect in HS doesnt change anything, except for suicide gankers cherrypicking targets. The resistance to this is obvious as to why. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3793 "2018-10-30T17:12:34Z")
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**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3794 "2018-10-30T17:13:38Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > Lets say Im a 80yr old lady, and you are a 25yr old man that has illegally opened the hood or boot of my car. I have zero option of force o push you away or restraining you after you have already committed a crime against me and my property. Yup. You also can’t pull a gun on me in that situation. That’s called either attempted assault with a deadly weapon, or ‘menacing’, depending on where you do it. Call the cops. It’s what they’re for. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3795 "2018-10-30T17:15:16Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Call the cops. It’s what they’re for. How do I call the Cops in EVE HS when you are prying into whats under my hood and in my boot storage? What if cops are far away or busy? Cant I defend my own property? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3796 "2018-10-30T17:17:09Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > How do I call the Cops in EVE when you are prying into whats under my hood and in my boot storage? You don’t. Scanning isn’t a crime. Now, if you’d like to continue using flawed RL analogies, maybe you should go and start advocating that CCP actually installs cops in HS, and not just death squads. > [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > What if cops are far away or busy? Cant I defend my own property? Not with deadly force. You want to know the specifics of what you’ll be charged with, consult a lawyer near you. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3797 "2018-10-30T17:18:11Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Scanning isn’t a crime It should be a suspect act. You have no business prying into my fit or cargo. And in EVE, yes, I should be able to shoot you for it. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3798 "2018-10-30T17:19:20Z")
Ooooo yes please ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3799 "2018-10-30T17:22:31Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > It should be a suspect act. > > You have no business prying into my fit or cargo. > > And in EVE, yes, I should be able to shoot you for it. See that? You finally admit that you want to make scanning someone a crime punishable by death. So you were lying when you said you weren’t talking about blowing someone up. And you _still_ haven’t demonstrated how that punishment fits that crime. You’ve not demonstrated even a 1 ISK cost to you. But you’ll still claim no cost is equivalent to a measurable cost, because you’re fundamentally incapable of rational thought beyond ‘waaaaah but I WANT IT’. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3800 "2018-10-30T17:23:07Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > And in EVE, yes, I should be able to shoot you for it. You already can 😅 You’ll just get a GCC timer like anyone else doing illegal activities ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3801 "2018-10-30T17:24:50Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > See that? You finally admit that you want to make scanning someone a crime punishable by death. Doesnt mean death. Just means I can shoot you for invasively, non-consensually and suspectly prying into my personal ship data regarding fit or cargo for intel. if you want my personal ships fit and cargo data, damn straight I want to be able to shoot you for that. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3802 "2018-10-30T17:26:36Z")
@Arrendis sometimes I want to come back to EVE and join Miniluv/CODE. to get some delectable tears like we have here 😂 But then I remember I’m poor and have better things to do ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3803 "2018-10-30T17:27:07Z")
First rule of weapons: You don’t use one on someone unless you’re willing to kill with it. That’s as true in EVE as it is IRL. @Annah_Tsero HAH! ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3804 "2018-10-30T17:28:10Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > First rule of weapons: You don’t use one on someone unless you’re willing to kill with it. Dont scan someones fit or cargo, unless you are prepared to defend yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3805 "2018-10-30T17:28:29Z")
You mean unless you’re prepared to _die_. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3806 "2018-10-30T17:29:07Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > You mean unless you’re prepared to _die_ . Going suspect doesnt mean you die. CONCORD wont blow you up. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3807 "2018-10-30T17:29:52Z")
You want to shoot people for scanning you. Are we seriously supposed to believe you’ll only shoot them a little bit? You want to kill them. ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3808 "2018-10-30T17:31:10Z")
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