# The CSM 13 Winter Summit Minutes are out **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [October 2, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726 "2018-10-02T20:37:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 189
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3809 "2018-10-30T17:31:41Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > You want to shoot people for scanning you. Are we seriously supposed to believe you’ll only shoot them a little bit? > > You want to kill them. Whether someone shoots you, or kills you, for invasively, non-consensually, and suspectly scanning their fit or cargo is up to them. Just as its up to you whether you chose to scan their fit or cargo. ---
**Author:** ![Grayclay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grayclay/32/193817_2.png) [@Grayclay](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grayclay)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3810 "2018-10-30T17:31:54Z")
What are you people even talking about anymore ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3812 "2018-10-30T17:34:18Z")
Is that a suspect flag or criminal flag offense? ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3813 "2018-10-30T17:38:59Z")
> [@Grayclay](#): > > What are you people even talking about anymore Atm we are talking about scanning someones elses fit or cargo in HS causing a suspect flag on the scanner. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3814 "2018-10-30T17:41:07Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > Whether someone shoots you, or kills you, for invasively, non-consensually, and suspectly scans your fit or cargo is up to them. > > Just as its up to you whether you chose to scan their fit or cargo. And your point is? You keep saying you want to shoot people for scanning you. When you get called on wanting to kill people for looking at you in a way you don’t like, you insist you’re not talking about blowing up their ships. So I’m calling you a liar. You want to shoot them. We all know you’re not going to just shoot them once and call it a fair punishment. We all know you’re going to blow them up. If you aren’t going to blow them up, why _shouldn’t_ they scan you? All they’ll need to do is sit on a citadel for a few seconds to repair up for free. Even _you_ aren’t dumb enough to not know that. So you want to be allowed to kill them. But you’re _squeamish_ about it. You don’t want to _admit_ you want to kill people for looking at you funny. Just grow a pair and admit that you want to kill people for looking at you funny… even though _you don’t know when they do it_ because they use passive targeters in the first place. Because you haven’t thought this through, and you don’t have any actual evidence to support your insistence that scanning should be a crime punishable by death. Just like you didn’t have any actual evidence to support your insistence that players in social corps couldn’t _possibly_ be allowed out of High Security space. And you didn’t have any actual evidence to support your insistence before that that social corps would completely destroy High Sec. and don’t have any evidence at all to support your insistence that structure spam doesn’t bother anyone or cause anyone any problems in HS. Because all you have is impulse and ‘I WANT THIS BECAUSE IT WILL MAKE ME FEEL GOOD TO GET MY WAY’. Frankly, I think it’s pathetic. But it _is_ fun to watch you squirm. > [@Buoytender\_Bob](#): > > Is that a suspect flag or criminal flag offense? Even worse, it’s a ‘you have to go play EVE’ offense. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3815 "2018-10-30T17:43:34Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Frankly, I think it’s pathetic. But it _is_ fun to watch you squirm. Its very simple. If you want to intrusively, non-concensually, suspectly pry into another players personal fit or cargo data, you get flagged as suspect. You get the data you wanted, and the price is going suspect. Its fair and square. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3816 "2018-10-30T17:47:12Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > If you want to intrusively, non-concensually, suspectly pry into another players personal fit or cargo data, you get flagged as suspect. A) It is no more intrusive than looking at zkill 20 minutes later. B) You can’t claim doing something is ‘suspectly’ when you’re arguing to _make_ it a Suspect-flag offense. C) The idiot who wants little old ladies to shoot people for looking into their cars wouldn’t know fair and square if he were hit with a large rhomboid sign reading ‘County Fair’. ---
**Author:** ![Grayclay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grayclay/32/193817_2.png) [@Grayclay](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grayclay)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3817 "2018-10-30T17:47:51Z")
Realistically, covert scanning technology exists today (infrared sensors, night vision, satellite imagery) and will exist in the future, so your point makes no sense from a lore perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3818 "2018-10-30T17:48:18Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > ou can’t claim doing something is ‘suspectly’ when you’re arguing to _make_ it a Suspect-flag offense. Sure I can. Its extremely suspect that you scan my fit or cargo, which is none of your business. Thats my personal ship fit and cargo data. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3819 "2018-10-30T17:49:21Z")
I find it extremely suspect that you want to know when I activate a module that doesn’t affect you at all. Perhaps you should get flagged for being scanned. > [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > my personal ship fit Then you need to get CCP to stop generating killmails. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3820 "2018-10-30T17:50:21Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > find it extremely suspect that you want to know when I activate a module that doesn’t affect you at all. Ofc it affects me, as you getting intel on my fit and cargo without my consent. What business of yours is my personal ships fit and cargo? As was stated earlier, if in wardec, scanning will not incur a suspect flag. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3821 "2018-10-30T17:51:45Z")
We are everywhere We are everyone We are anonymous Do you really think even your private information irl is being kept safe? 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Grayclay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grayclay/32/193817_2.png) [@Grayclay](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grayclay)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3822 "2018-10-30T17:55:58Z")
Who the ■■■■ is even worried about cargo scanning in high sec? That’s the most trivial activity I’ve heard of. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3823 "2018-10-30T17:57:06Z")
It’s of _ **PARAMOUNT** _ importance that Salvos’ cargo stays hidden from everyone!! Even tho everyone knows he doesn’t even play the game he so much wishes to change 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3824 "2018-10-30T17:58:45Z")
> [@Grayclay](#): > > Who the ■■■■ is even worried about cargo scanning in high sec? That’s the most trivial activity I’ve heard of. Great, then changing non-wardecced scanning of fit or cargo in HS to a suspect act, is not a problem for you. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3825 "2018-10-30T18:00:02Z")
You’re flying along. I have a passive targeter fitted, so when I lock you up… you don’t know it. When I activate the ship scanner… you don’t know it. You do nothing at all differently. You don’t think any differently. You aren’t aware you were scanned. You aren’t aware you were locked. You are aware of no difference. How have you been affected? ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3826 "2018-10-30T18:02:50Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > How have you been affected? You accessed my personal ships fit and cargo data. Neither of those are any of your business. Why did you do so? Obviously with intent to aggress me. As I stated earlier, you wont go suspect from scanning war targets. If not wardecced, and you scan me and take my ships fit and cargo data, damn straight you should go suspect for it. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3827 "2018-10-30T18:07:26Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > You accessed my personal ships fit and cargo data. > > Neither of those are any of your business. This doesn’t demonstrate any effect on you at all. How were you affected? > [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > Why did you do so? Obviously with intent to aggress me. Or I’m curious about how people fit their ships. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3828 "2018-10-30T18:08:08Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Or I’m curious about how people fit their ships. Thats fine. Go ahead and scan them, but you will go suspect for it, ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3829 "2018-10-30T18:08:37Z")
Still waiting for the answer: > [@Arrendis](#): > > How were you affected? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726.md?page=188) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726.md?page=190)