# The CSM 13 Winter Summit Minutes are out **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [October 2, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726 "2018-10-02T20:37:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 74
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1487 "2018-10-08T13:04:05Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > I’m smart. I have proven that times and times again. > You’re clearly not. You’ve proven that, at least in this thread. > > Have a nice day a What a rational, stable, informed and unbiased poster I, we, CCP and CSM should clearly listen to when he spams. Not. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1488 "2018-10-08T13:04:07Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > Its a low priority. Effects nothing as it is. Its a harmless, and ineffectual, vestige. Right, although it does have a server impact. So just tear it out. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1489 "2018-10-08T13:04:11Z")
So you’re saying wars aren’t also meant to be suppressing an enemy’s activities? ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1490 "2018-10-08T13:05:29Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > So you’re saying wars aren’t also meant to be suppressing an enemy’s activities? I’m saying that if the meta to dealing with a mechanic is to log off and never log back in, that’s a bad mechanic and it needs to get fixed. Stop with this roleplaying nonsense for a minute and think of the health of the game long-term. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1491 "2018-10-08T13:05:43Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > > [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > > > Its a low priority. Effects nothing as it is. Its a harmless, and ineffectual, vestige. > > Right. So just tear it out. Its not worth the effort, and bounties may be yet rationalised, one day, if someone finds the silver bullet. Till then, its just fun that people sink bounty money on targets. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1492 "2018-10-08T13:06:37Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > Its not worth the effort It will be, because it does impact server load, and it won’t take much effort. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1493 "2018-10-08T13:07:02Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > If by “suppressing enemy activity” you mean “forcing players to quit the game” then you’re nuts. Yes, this is exactly what I mean. Do you seriously want to let Minecraft players into EVE? You cannot want to include any possible player into a single game. It’s ridiculous. This is still a PvP game and some players are simply not discouraged by the NPE, but only on first contact with the enemy. That’s just how it is. What other mechanic do you there have in mind to sort out the PvPers from the “oh, I thought this was a game for me”-type of player? Where in your opinion should the game filter out those who don’t want to play EVE? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1494 "2018-10-08T13:07:25Z")
I think CCP will do something in case of wardecs, and this will be not years as I initially wrote. Before the end of year maybe. 🔮 ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1495 "2018-10-08T13:08:09Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > because it does impact server load Pfft. Many players take pride in the bounties placed on them, and they do function per payout, as they are. Its not worth the effort to tear it out, and would just diminish EVE in doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1496 "2018-10-08T13:09:05Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Do you seriously want to let Minecraft players into EVE? Hey, I played minecraft too! I would like all of these players in EVE. 🤩 ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1497 "2018-10-08T13:09:18Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Do you seriously want to let Minecraft players into EVE? Whats wrong with Minecraft players joining EVE? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1498 "2018-10-08T13:17:58Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Yes, this is exactly what I mean. > > Do you seriously want to let Minecraft players into EVE? > > You cannot want to include any possible player into a single game. It’s ridiculous. > > This is still a PvP game and some players are simply not discouraged by the NPE, but only on first contact with the enemy. That’s just how it is. > > What other mechanic do you there have in mind to sort out the PvPers from the “oh, I thought this was a game for me”-type of player? > > Where in your opinion should the game filter out those who don’t want to play EVE? In the _experience_ of EVE. There’s room in EVE for people who don’t want to PVP. If they want to dock up during a war, that’s fine, as long as there’s reason for them to _come back after_. And, as someone who’s built a 1:1 scale Minas Tirith in Minecraft, by myself, on survival mode (building Mindolluin was the really annoying part)… ,!, ,!, Minecraft players are EVE players too. This is a _sandbox_ game. Yes, most of the activity has PvP applications, and PvP can happen anywhere, at any time, but that doesn’t mean players need to be forced to engage in wars. If they’re willing to accept ganking, if they’re willing to accept suppression of PvE activities and then _come back_, then great. It’s the ‘not coming back’ part that’s actively hurting the game. People who aren’t coming back are people who aren’t developing into PvPers. They’re people who aren’t out there in space, making every aspect of the game just a little bit richer by their activity. You want to insist on a niche game being some kind of exclusionary little hellhole where only ‘the right people’ can come in, then you’re pushing for EVE to _shut down_ if you can’t have it the way you want it. It’s as stupid and short-sighted an idea from you as it would be from us (and yes, I know that my projected ‘what happens if CCP does X’ included a scenario very much like that. Those actions would be stupid and short-sighted. That doesn’t make them unlikely, under those circumstances). ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/374866_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1499 "2018-10-08T13:19:48Z")
I get you. But since CCP is a business and _someone_ must pay, I think that you shouldn’t get a free lunch for your PvP. So starting now, each time you blow a player ship, the cost of your next subcription will rise by 1 PLEX. It’s a generous offer, as you could blow 500 undesirable players before your subscription just doubled. And all of 1,000 before it tripled. CCP still would be losing money with the deal, but at least you would put your money where your mouth is. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1500 "2018-10-08T13:20:18Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > You want to insist on a niche game being some kind of exclusionary little hellhole where only ‘the right people’ can come in, then you’re pushing for EVE to _shut down_ if you can’t have it the way you want it. It’s as stupid and short-sighted an idea from you as it would be from us This. EVE is niche, but its also an open sandbox. As much as possible should always be possible in this game, so people can find their niche in it. PvP relies on PvE, and vice-versa. ---
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1501 "2018-10-08T13:25:25Z")
@CCP_Falcon: Chats are broken again. Local acts up and chats are completely empty windows without users or anything. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1502 "2018-10-08T13:28:19Z")
> Jin’taan asks about the possibility of making it so people wouldn’t appear in local until they drop gate cloak. There’s a joke from the CCP side about having demonstrated their ability to have people not show in local. Oh snap. Burn. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1503 "2018-10-08T13:29:01Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > > [@Whitehound](#): > > > > Do you seriously want to let Minecraft players into EVE? > > Whats wrong with Minecraft players joining EVE? Minecraft players like to construct and build without others destroying it. Of course there isn’t anything fundamentally wrong with the play-style of a Minecraft player. But let me ask you, do you believe EVE should be open to them and their play-style as well as the mechanics of Minecraft? And what about fantasy players? Should we have magic in EVE, and dragons, and other non Sci-Fi elements in this game? The point I’m trying to convey to you is that before you can talk about letting more players in you will first have to think about who you want to let in. If you don’t define what type of player you want and don’t think about who fits into the game and who doesn’t then you simply don’t know what you’re doing. You’re only making one step forward and two steps back, you turn screws and knobs you don’t understand and without a clear direction will you only ruin the game and drive out those who you wanted to keep, but didn’t really understand what it is that keeps them here or makes them want to play the game. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1504 "2018-10-08T13:31:10Z")
> [@Yiole\_Gionglao](#): > > I get you. But since CCP is a business and _someone_ must pay, I think that you shouldn’t get a free lunch for your PvP. So starting now, each time you blow a player ship, the cost of your next subcription will rise by 1 PLEX. It’s a generous offer, as you could blow 500 undesirable players before your subscription just doubled. And all of 1,000 before it tripled. CCP still would be losing money with the deal, but at least you would put your money where your mouth is. Well, that’s funny, but if CCP wanted to make money then they shouldn’t have started a gaming company but opened a bank or a printing press. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1505 "2018-10-08T13:33:17Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > There’s room in EVE for people who don’t want to PVP. No, there isn’t. It is a hardcore PvP game. If you believe there is room for non-PvP then you will also believe there is room for magic, a bit of Candy Crush and maybe a Netflix corner, too. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1506 "2018-10-08T13:34:32Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Do you seriously want to let Minecraft players into EVE? If they pay their subscription, yes. > [@Whitehound](#): > > What other mechanic do you there have in mind to sort out the PvPers from the “oh, I thought this was a game for me”-type of player? > > Where in your opinion should the game filter out those who don’t want to play EVE? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/4/d4fc2f4896d25325b9c9edc1726770803e2e8d5a.gif) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726.md?page=73) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726.md?page=75)