# The CSM 13 Winter Summit Minutes are out **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [October 2, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726 "2018-10-02T20:37:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 94
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1900 "2018-10-09T14:43:53Z")
I am. You not so much anymore after that previous reply. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1901 "2018-10-09T14:44:39Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Sure, you want to be taken serious, don’t you? You want Social Corps. Make it happen. Surely this will fix EVE and the issues above. Just do it, and everything will be fine. ---
**Author:** ![Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dantelion_shinoni/32/383315_2.png) [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dantelion_Shinoni)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1902 "2018-10-09T14:44:48Z")
Well, you seem to have a pretty good grasp of the problems it could create, so you could be useful when it comes to refining the feature. For now I think a big part of your worries is that big blocs would be able to combine undeccable pilots with the logistics of Structures. Restricting the access to Structures to undeccable people would already neuter their capacity to abuse their protection. Just have it that Social-like Corps don’t have a “Corp ID” or something that would allow them to be registered by the Structure (or for a WarDec). ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1903 "2018-10-09T14:44:53Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > I am. You not so much anymore after that previous reply. Well, I won’t take you serious until I see you actually mean it. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1904 "2018-10-09T14:46:08Z")
Right. I’m the one trying to implement this in a way I wouldn’t exploit it myself. I’m the one not taking this seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1905 "2018-10-09T14:46:50Z")
> [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](#): > > Well, you seem to have a pretty good grasp of the problems it could create, so you could be useful when it comes to refining the feature. No, who cares. Just make Social Corps happen as described here. Clearly, these guys know better than us. Make it happen. Social Corps are the solution as stated by many much wiser and better players. Clearly, that is what has to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1906 "2018-10-09T14:50:16Z")
> [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](#): > > For now I think a big part of your worries is that big blocs would be able to combine undeccable pilots with the logistics of Structures. We already have this. As I’ve pointed out earlier does Red Frog use pilots in NPC corps for their business. It’s a requirement for all their pilots actually, to have a pilot outside of Red Frog, and only an alt within, to accept the couriers. This is as old as Red Frog itself. Who claims this would only be introduced by social corps is just clueless. Of course there will be players who don’t know about this little trick and they haul their stuff through high-sec with in-corp pilots. Social corps don’t change this. The only change happening is that some of you guys here are only now hearing of it. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1907 "2018-10-09T14:51:54Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > We already have this. But we dont have Social Corps. Social Corps will fix everything, with no drawbacks, at all. You and others said so, so it must be true. Social Corps NOW. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1908 "2018-10-09T14:53:26Z")
Of course we know this happens. But our version of social corps changes nothing about red frog and null bloc alt corps. Your’s does! ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1909 "2018-10-09T14:54:28Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Your’s does! You mean you’ll be able to wardec the pilots of Red Frog? Interesting… How so? ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1910 "2018-10-09T14:54:45Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Your’s does! Yes! Social Corps fixes everything, and no negative effects! Those other guys said so, so it must be true! Social Corps, NOW! ---
**Author:** ![gnshadowninja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gnshadowninja/32/160500_2.png) [@gnshadowninja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/gnshadowninja)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1911 "2018-10-09T14:55:48Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > Faylee is core to that, as are the others trolling you. Confirmed, anyone with an opinion other then yours is a troll. > [@Whitehound](#): > > But now you’re focused on creating something where you don’t even know why you want to create it and you just ignore those who caused this problem in the first place. He already said, if a structure was introduce ld aslong as it helped 1% then it’s working, screw the other 99% leaving the game. > [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > Fine. > > Do it. > > Implement Social Corps as presented here, and watch HS and EVE circle down and out the shitter. This reply is pretty much how we feel about just throwing a structure at the issue. > [@Whitehound](#): > > We aren’t actually creating them. We are just talking about it and what these have to cover in order to meet all the demands. This is exactly my problem with this discussion, people seem to think things are set in stone and that the fix they give is the only chosen one. I’m open to talk about any fixes or ideas people have. Find it funny pro structures guys disagree with every idea and grill people on them yet people against structures are open to the idea (and others) aslong as it’s done right. Edit : last time I try writing a long reply on a phone ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1912 "2018-10-09T14:56:09Z")
It’s like you know your idea can’t happen so you’ve turned to trolling. Thanks for, kind of, admitting the failure. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1913 "2018-10-09T14:57:33Z")
> [@gnshadowninja](#): > > This is exactly my problem with this discussion, people seem to think things are set in stone and that the fix they give is the only chosen one. I’m open to talk about any fixes or ideas people have. It doesnt matter. Social Corp will fix everything. They said so, so it must be true. ---
**Author:** ![gnshadowninja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gnshadowninja/32/160500_2.png) [@gnshadowninja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/gnshadowninja)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1914 "2018-10-09T14:58:06Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > It doesnt matter. > > War structure will fix everything. > > They said so, so it must be true. Sorted mate ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1915 "2018-10-09T14:59:56Z")
> [@gnshadowninja](#): > > Sorted mate War structue? NO. Only Social Corp will fix it. Thats what I was told, so must be true. If you say no to that, you are wrong, thats what they said. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1916 "2018-10-09T15:00:11Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > It’s like you know your idea can’t happen so you’ve turned to trolling. > > Thanks for, kind of, admitting the failure. You fail to convince. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1917 "2018-10-09T15:01:10Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > You fail to convince. Anything except Social Corp, is wrong, and fails to convince, right, my brother? Please, can I have some more Social Corp koolaid? Im johnsing like hell… ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1918 "2018-10-09T15:02:58Z")
> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > Anything except Social Corp … We’re just talking here. You really need to stop worrying. Nothing will happen as of this discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Proteus\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/proteus_onzo/32/100121_2.png) [@Proteus\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Proteus_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1919 "2018-10-09T15:04:35Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > > [@Proteus\_Onzo](#): > > > > Anything except Social Corp … > > We’re just talking here. You really need to stop worrying. Nothing will happen as of this discussion. Why talk or discuss? You and yours already made it clear Social Corp will fix everything! Nothing else matters! (Metallica) HALLELUJAH and pass the koolaid! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726.md?page=93) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726.md?page=95)