# The CSM 13 Winter Summit Minutes are out

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**Created:** [October 2, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726 "2018-10-02T20:37:07Z")\
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**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\
**Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1498 "2018-10-08T13:17:58Z")

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> [@Whitehound](#):
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> Yes, this is exactly what I mean.
> 
> Do you seriously want to let Minecraft players into EVE?
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> You cannot want to include any possible player into a single game. It’s ridiculous.
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> This is still a PvP game and some players are simply not discouraged by the NPE, but only on first contact with the enemy. That’s just how it is.
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> What other mechanic do you there have in mind to sort out the PvPers from the “oh, I thought this was a game for me”-type of player?
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> Where in your opinion should the game filter out those who don’t want to play EVE?

In the _experience_ of EVE. There’s room in EVE for people who don’t want to PVP. If they want to dock up during a war, that’s fine, as long as there’s reason for them to _come back after_.

And, as someone who’s built a 1:1 scale Minas Tirith in Minecraft, by myself, on survival mode (building Mindolluin was the really annoying part)… ,!, ,!, Minecraft players are EVE players too.

This is a _sandbox_ game. Yes, most of the activity has PvP applications, and PvP can happen anywhere, at any time, but that doesn’t mean players need to be forced to engage in wars. If they’re willing to accept ganking, if they’re willing to accept suppression of PvE activities and then _come back_, then great.

It’s the ‘not coming back’ part that’s actively hurting the game. People who aren’t coming back are people who aren’t developing into PvPers. They’re people who aren’t out there in space, making every aspect of the game just a little bit richer by their activity.

You want to insist on a niche game being some kind of exclusionary little hellhole where only ‘the right people’ can come in, then you’re pushing for EVE to _shut down_ if you can’t have it the way you want it. It’s as stupid and short-sighted an idea from you as it would be from us (and yes, I know that my projected ‘what happens if CCP does X’ included a scenario very much like that. Those actions would be stupid and short-sighted. That doesn’t make them unlikely, under those circumstances).

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