# The CSM 13 Winter Summit Minutes are out

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**Created:** [October 2, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726 "2018-10-02T20:37:07Z")\
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**Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/1891 "2018-10-09T14:32:02Z")

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> [@Black\_Pedro](#):
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> It won’t do anything of the sort.

> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#):
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> This will lead overnight to massive unwardeccable NS based HS alt Social Corps, to facilitate their material convoys and HS operations.

I dunno about ‘massive’, but… yeah, it’ll lead to hauler alts in social corps if they’re not in NPC corps, definitely. Not sure what other ‘HS operations’ you mean, though. Won’t be mining. No need for it for missioning (just stay in an NPC corp).

> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#):
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> Those NS based Social Corps in HS will have access to all their NS alt Corps structures in HS and favorable rates

To do what? Market fees don’t vary by ACL permissions.

> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#):
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> Result will be them muscling out all legit HS Corps (especially new ones) economically, and militarily using their alt Corps to wardec any HS legit Corp (especially new ones) that sets up a structure in HS and goes Player Corp status.

Muscling them out of _what_? All that highsec content we (as a group) left behind already? Also, do you think (since you’re talking structures), that Pandemic Horde is really going to go around wardecing any HS corp that puts up a structure? They wardec’d one guy because Gobbins was _sure_ there was massive income available by owning all the trade cits. (There really isn’t.)

> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#):
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> Also in recruitment, any new legit HS Corp will have nothing to offer its members, compares to the thousand member NS based HS alt Social Corps.

Except, you know, having most of their people paying attention to HS all the time, and being active primarily in HS, and actually being there to do things with the newbies in HS. We’d just tell them ‘here, ship your stuff to 1dq, and run a shuttle through Aridia to 1-SMEB, then hit the JB and move the two gates over, we’ll get you set up.’

> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#):
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> Also means those NS based HS alt Social Corps income from tax, bounties and fees will skyrocket, rather than being sunk into NPC Corp, as now.

You _vastly_ overestimate the amount of income that’s possible through HS that way, especially compared to the amount of income we’re _already getting_ through those same channels in null. If someone wants to do stuff in HS, it _ain’t_ for the money, I promise.

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