# The CSM 13 Winter Summit Minutes are out

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**Created:** [October 2, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726 "2018-10-02T20:37:07Z")\
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**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/3496 "2018-10-21T08:52:27Z")

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> [@Faylee\_Freir](#):
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> Do you think a “fair”system is achievable when it’s likely that the same mercs are going to be involved?
> 
> Typically it’s one side that has:
> 
> - Blinged and tanky T3s and Battleship with High-Grade pods
> - 1 or 2 alts in T2 logi (with Logi 5) or Nestors per 1 DPS
> - Extensive experience with multiboxing and using alts
> - Experience and knowledge of using and abusing mechanics and loopholes in order to gain an advantage
> - Has historically been better prepared and organized than opposition
> 
> COMPARED TO:
> 
> - A rag-tag group of players in T1 ships
> - Don’t have the extensive use of alts
> - Players with less experience and less organization
> - Won’t have a network of alts to use as scouts
> - Typically less knowledgeable and experience in mechanics and loopholes
> 
> ——  
> I’m not saying that what CCP is doing is futile by if they are in search of a system that takes a better player and puts him on an even keel with a lesser, then you’re looking at a system that works to nullify the differences in the two that provide such a difference in skill or preparedness.
> 
> I am concerned about their use of the word “fair”. That’s all. I hope we don’t see Highsec wars and pvp be some kind of instanced arena crap 😕

First of all that is an excellent post. I don’t like the word fair, as fair does not exist in Eve, **what I am talking about is balance** , and what you have detailed as in the difference between PIRAT and the people they attack, it is unfair, however CCP needs to be focussed on hisec balance and so should anyone looking at this issue.

This is why I would suggest that CCP could have different structures that control the war dec for different types of war targets in hisec.

What you want to do is put back the control of their Eve game play to end the war for the defender so for a small hisec corp a rush attack on the structure controlling their war dec should be possible. So it is not so much a skill balance but an opportunity balance.

The problem is that this needs to scale with the larger entities most notably the top tier nullsec alliances. I think this is very doable.

@Brisc_Rubal and @Steve_Ronuken What do you think?

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