# The CSM 13 Winter Summit Minutes are out

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**Created:** [October 2, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726 "2018-10-02T20:37:07Z")\
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**Author:** ![Sade\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sade_musana/32/93959_2.png) [@Sade\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sade_Musana)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-csm-13-winter-summit-minutes-are-out/110726/867 "2018-10-05T16:21:17Z")

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And that is exactly why I asked to see ALL the data before people make rash, uninformed judgements like this.

> [@Proteus\_Onzo](#):
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> Its been said, repeatedly, that wardec defenders falling out of EVE is the problem.

Meanwhile, in other threads

> [@Gankers in highsec still there?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-in-highsec-still-there/110706):
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> There where alots of stupid noobs around in highsec two years ago bumping and killing freighters with 50 Caracals. I canceld my subscription back then and now after two years I consider again to pay for some Eve Online. Is it worth checking back in again or should I carry my money somewhere else?

Addressing problems individually is fine, but when all you are doing is shifting the problems into other areas (as stated by WDers already in this thread as they prepare to move to ganking) solves nothing.

Let us see all the data and try and move forward with it.

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