# The Cynabal - It's Time, CCP **URL:** \ **Category:** PvP Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [August 3, 2023, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cynabal-its-time-ccp/414650 "2023-08-03T13:54:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kibitt\_Kallinikov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kibitt_kallinikov/32/380853_2.png) [@Kibitt\_Kallinikov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kibitt_Kallinikov)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 1:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cynabal-its-time-ccp/414650/42 "2023-11-12T01:53:56Z")
Yeah so the reason I don’t go the invul route is because it takes capacitor the Cynabal doesn’t really have to spare tbh. Check the cap life on that fit it’s really awful. I’ll post the geno fit I tested below rather than have people play guessing games lol. Honestly the cap life still isn’t great on this one so I personally just roll some cheap abyssal mwds off the quad lif mwd until I get one that has lower cap use without many drawbacks. Of course you can also just buy a faction mwd if you don’t want to gamble. [Cynabal, shield geno xlasb] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II ‘Deuce’ Co-Processor I Damage Control II 50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Federation Navy Stasis Webifier X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster Caldari Navy Warp Disruptor 425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II Small Energy Neutralizer II Medium EM Shield Reinforcer II Medium Thermal Shield Reinforcer II Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Acolyte II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-4 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-3 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2 Low-grade Snake Epsilon Inherent Implants ‘Squire’ Power Grid Management EG-605 Eifyr and Co. ‘Rogue’ Evasive Maneuvering EM-705 Zor’s Custom Navigation Hyper-Link ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cynabal-its-time-ccp/414650/43 "2023-11-12T01:57:04Z")
doesnt care how you fit ! i just denied your point that the cynabal struggles to fit an XLASB. ---
**Author:** ![Mordechai\_Maccabee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mordechai_maccabee/32/423300_2.png) [@Mordechai\_Maccabee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mordechai_Maccabee)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 2:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cynabal-its-time-ccp/414650/44 "2023-11-12T02:03:32Z")
Give it 25 cpu and power grid and 10% dps to 425s and the it’s a lot better. Tbh there’s almost no reason to use 425s over 220s most of the time due to the fitting difference and the minuscule damage differences. You lose like 3k fall off with barrage and 20 base dps for a ton of fitting room dropping your gun size. It’s just not worth it most of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cynabal-its-time-ccp/414650/45 "2023-11-12T02:06:30Z")
> [@Mordechai\_Maccabee](#): > > Give it 25 cpu and power grid and 10% dps you can say that about all ships oO btw… take a look ! i see a lot of kills from cynabal pilots ! so i dont think the cynabal needs any rework [Cynabal | Ship | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/ship/17720/) ---
**Author:** ![Nabi\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nabi_kim/32/390748_2.png) [@Nabi\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nabi_Kim)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 6:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cynabal-its-time-ccp/414650/46 "2023-11-12T06:33:28Z")
Just fly Catalysts. It’s really all you need. ---
**Author:** ![Famine\_Aligher\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/famine_aligher_ri/32/393186_2.png) [@Famine\_Aligher\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Famine_Aligher_ri)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cynabal-its-time-ccp/414650/47 "2023-11-12T15:53:06Z")
> [@Kibitt\_Kallinikov](#): > > third sebo is on your Cynabal I run 2 Sentinel Sebos, not 3 my friend. I typically run MWD, Tech II Warp Disruptor, and a Caldari Navy Warp Scram for the Tech II Indy’s. Again, the Gnosis can match the Cyna, but with greater sacrifice. It’s also a BC, which is EXTREMELY slower on the catch. It’s not the same ship. Gnosis is a STATIONARY ship at it’s best and better for remote boosting because IT’S SO SLOW. > [@Kibitt\_Kallinikov](#): > > NOsprey and they fit LSE + XLASB all day no sweat And this is why you can’t debate with you. Pilots like you try to fit for everything. I’ve been in EVE since 2004 my friend. There WILL ALWAYS be a ship that can perform better. This is why CCP Games made a dramatic shift many years ago to defining ROLES for ships. Those role here meaning a singular focus for the most part. That means wearing one or two hats in a comp. You my friend seem to be arguing for ships and builds that can WEAR MULTIPLE if not ALL HATS in a comp. Then crying they can’t DO EVERTHING because X, Y, Z can WEAR MULTIPLE. Let me clue you in on a little thing. Almost all games have tier lists. Certain ships are going to be higher tier or S tiers or whatever over others. Cynabal certainly is not a ship that’s going to be that ship. It’s doesn’t need to be. It performs well in the role it has and certainly, their will be higher tier ships out there. We do not need every ship to be the highest tiers to be good. ---
**Author:** ![Kibitt\_Kallinikov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kibitt_kallinikov/32/380853_2.png) [@Kibitt\_Kallinikov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kibitt_Kallinikov)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cynabal-its-time-ccp/414650/48 "2023-11-12T17:41:00Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > doesnt care how you fit I mean the whole point of my comment was that you make a huge number of sacrifices, so yeah it does matter how it fits xD Like, you can fit rapid heavy launcher onto a NOsprey or a heavy neut onto a curse but they’re also restrictive things. > [@Nabi\_Kim](#): > > Just fly Catalysts. It’s really all you need Finally, something all EVE pilots can get behind. Kills Dagan, great for newbie. Kills JF, great for multiboxing veterans. What’s not to love? > [@Famine\_Aligher\_ri](#): > > I run 2 Sentinel Sebos, not 3 my friend. I typically run MWD, Tech II Warp Disruptor, and a Caldari Navy Warp Scram for the Tech II Indy’s. Oh you were quoting overheated stats? OK, so you don’t make the t3d breakpoint and should run 1 sebo with 2x t2 targeting speed rigs to free up a mid slot for a web or whatever else. 1195 is the number to match or beat for 30m sig but almost all ships are 32m+ which only needs 1157 and you’ll have 1175 with your implant and sebo and heat will get you past 1195. imo it’s more important to have that extra mid than to have an extra rig slot on your fit. > [@Famine\_Aligher\_ri](#): > > And this is why you can’t debate with you. Pilots like you try to fit for everything. I brought up common examples of what is needed in tank to survive, and what is expected in terms of damage. I’m… not sure what complaining about player culture has to do with that, but it’s pretty clear that I’m not asking for the Cynabal to be the best at everything, there is no need to fear about that lol. I’d still be keeping the other notable weaknesses the ship has. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cynabal-its-time-ccp/414650/49 "2023-11-12T17:46:40Z")
> [@Kibitt\_Kallinikov](#): > > I mean the whole point of my comment was that you make a huge number of sacrifices, so yeah it does matter how it fits xD still doesnt care because its a great ship and is in heavy use ! this ship is fine as it is ! and a lot of ships neet to have implants or some recource mods fittet to fit things. you can easy get it without struggly on a cynabal ! yes you need to sacrifice stuff but you always need to sacrifice some stuff if you choose a fit ! ---
**Author:** ![Kibitt\_Kallinikov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kibitt_kallinikov/32/380853_2.png) [@Kibitt\_Kallinikov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kibitt_Kallinikov)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cynabal-its-time-ccp/414650/51 "2023-11-13T01:22:53Z")
Ah it’s not paying the price that I object to - I like having to make tradeoffs. For me, it has more to do with the fact that no matter which tradeoff you pick, you often end up a bit shy on the damage side of things. I’m ok if people disagree with this, but I hope the other examples of ships I gave will help give an idea of the sort of offensive presence I’m hoping for. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cynabal-its-time-ccp/414650/52 "2023-11-13T14:21:55Z")
then lets compare the cynabal with an ONI : the mportant stats 2477 m/s w/o heat 240 DPS with fury ( include reload ) range 51 km 365 EHP/s 12,2k EHP [Osprey Navy Issue, Olaf Ronuken’s Osprey Navy Issue] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Warp Disruptor II Small F-RX Compact Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400 X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400 Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer Small Energy Nosferatu II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Acolyte II x5 now the cynabal Important facts : 2545 m/s w/o heat 391 DPS with barrage / 630 DPS with Hail ( both include with reload ) 3km + 30,5km with Barrage / 1,5km + 15,2 KM with Hail 447 EHP/s 17,4k EHP [ Cynabal, CaseyLP’s Cynabal] ‘Dyad’ Co-Processor I IFFA Compact Damage Control Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II ‘Interruptive’ Warp Disruptor 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier Multispectrum Shield Hardener II X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M [Empty High slot] Medium EM Shield Reinforcer I [Empty Rig slot] Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Zainou ‘Gypsy’ CPU Management EE-603 at the end it looks like the cynabal is in every stat except range better then the ONI and the cynabal fit isnt even realy good … it just was the first i found on zkb with an XLASB ( same with the ONI ) ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cynabal-its-time-ccp/414650/53 "2023-11-13T14:28:20Z")
Comparing two fits that are rapid lights and 425s are not exactly an apples to apples comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cynabal-its-time-ccp/414650/54 "2023-11-13T14:29:46Z")
then you couldnt compare a cynabal with an oni because other weapon system. doesnt make sense ! ---
**Author:** ![Kibitt\_Kallinikov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kibitt_kallinikov/32/380853_2.png) [@Kibitt\_Kallinikov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kibitt_Kallinikov)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cynabal-its-time-ccp/414650/55 "2023-11-14T07:53:31Z")
Oh no, I’m not wanting to compare the RLML system to 425mm on the Cynabal haha. I’m saying that because NOsprey do like 25k clip damage, if you want to feel good about flying an AC Cynabal then you need probably at least 33-35k ehp (since their drones also deal dmg) in order to feel good about using your speed to chase down most kiting ships. You will of course want more than that in order to fight stronger kiting ships, but the purpose of my comparisons earlier was to try and set the stage for what a cruiser should avoid dying to. They are ideal targets for a ship like the Cynabal to hunt because it does not need to reload its guns and it outruns them. The NOmen in either pulse or beam form is a lot closer to comparison points for the Cynabal in terms of weapon. Only, it has pure optimal range for very similar dps and in return it has fewer mids for utility. My issue is, once you’ve invested that much into tank, you’ve traded away a _lot_ of other things, and the damage isn’t anything cool to begin with so it just barely ends up being a little too weak imo. Usable? Sure, just know you’re not getting your money’s worth lol. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cynabal-its-time-ccp/414650/56 "2023-11-14T08:04:13Z")
only point ive done is ! Cynabal is a good ship without any needs of adjustments ! ---
**Author:** ![Lola\_Munijugs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lola_munijugs/32/381372_2.png) [@Lola\_Munijugs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lola_Munijugs)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cynabal-its-time-ccp/414650/57 "2023-11-15T20:49:54Z")
> [@Famine\_Aligher\_ri](#): > > Cynabal has a good role in piracy. It has the highest **scan resolution** and **best alpha** damage. I’m glad you like it for what you use it for, and congratulations on your kills. As expensive as it is, it still needs some work. > [@Kibitt\_Kallinikov](#): > > Though thankfully in our case, the Cynabal is extremely far from being a ship that has everything. Yes, good scan resolution does not make up for the lackluster base speed. The problem is the similar stats in cheaper navy cruisers. Maybe the update will lower the price to be closer, but I’ll still avoid it without a stat update. ---
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