# The Dantelion Plan **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 22, 2018, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845 "2018-08-22T11:29:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/139 "2018-08-28T11:04:20Z")
> [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](#): > > I’m just here now waiting for good memes. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/e/ce73cb891f8b26d8cb9ade62c599d62e93b04855.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/140 "2018-08-28T11:42:11Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > this is to force the use of citadels for prolific gankers to create content and a point of vulnerability. Most already do Besides, they’re all standing strong because the only group that cares about it is ag ironically > [@Dracvlad](#): > > A character leaving a corp that is war decked will bring the war dec with him to another player corp if he joined them in the week of the war dec Yes please Let us abuse the hell out of this so you can cry more about how powerless people are 😂 > [@Dracvlad](#): > > limiting war decs Limiting or restricting any content is pretty much going against the grain. And you want to give more tools to people for wars, not less. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/141 "2018-08-28T11:54:04Z")
I hope this more reasonable posting continues. > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Most already do > Besides, they’re all standing strong because the only group that cares about it is ag ironically Apart from Niarja there is not that much value in blapping them as the gankers can just use the NPC stations, but it would be a good content creator if this was implemented. > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Yes please > Let us abuse the hell out of this so you can cry more about how powerless people are This is to prevent people having a war dec, closing corp and restarting with the same name and the limit to the period of the original war dec period is deliberate as I expect people to try to and be successful in using it. This will work like the corps joining alliances. And is increasing content, because it is aimed at behaviour. I cannot see why I would be crying about something I suggested knowing full well what it could result in. You are obviously trying to provoke me into saying what you don’t like me saying, try to desist being provocative because it is pretty obvious. > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Limiting or restricting any content is pretty much going against the grain. I am creating consequences, it is only a limit if you are not able to protect a citadel. > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > And you want to give more tools to people for wars, not less. The CONCORD agent would give more intel to war deckers, such as location and online status, rather like the locator agent. You are so negative. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/142 "2018-08-28T11:58:19Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > This is to prevent people having a war dec Then prevent them joining or creating a corp for the duration of the defensive war… Doesn’t need to be super complicated… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > consequences Limiting wars because you don’t have a citadel or whatever is not a consequence, it’s a punishment… lol > [@Dracvlad](#): > > You are so negative. Look at the mirror ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/143 "2018-08-28T12:05:43Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > > This is to prevent people having a war dec > > Then prevent them joining or creating a corp for the duration of the defensive war… > > Doesn’t need to be super complicated… Why do you only quote part of the sentence to make it appear to have no sense what so ever? It was talking about people getting a war dec dissolving their corp and restarting with the same name. CCP want people to be able to move around, but a war dec and player corps should have consequences, this would not apply however to NPC corps obviously or the new social corps if they get implemented > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Limiting wars because you don’t have a citadel or whatever is not a consequence, it’s a punishment… lol Your target selection will need to improve some what, of course it is a limit and you punish yourself by poor target selection unlike now. Actions and errors should have consequences young man, you have so much to learn and no ability to adjust your thinking. It forces you to get gud… > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > > You are so negative. > > Look at the mirror You are so so negative it is incredible. Seriously bad. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/144 "2018-08-28T12:08:01Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > > [@Dracvlad](#): > > > > A character leaving a corp that is war decked will bring the war dec with him to another player corp if he joined them in the week of the war dec > > Yes please > Let us abuse the hell out of this so you can cry more about how powerless people are 😂 High-sec warfare has always been about corporations fighting corporations. People who say a wardec has to follow a player simply cannot make the distinction, but want war to be personal. Warfare is simply how corporations rise and fall, how they gain in number and how they lose them. Trying to make war personal is a common mistake by corporations. It’s when leaders turn into “Captain Ahab” and ignore the greater good by making it personal when instead they need to look out for the health of their entire corporation. When wars would stay with players will players try to join a stronger corporation, who then use it to flip wars against the aggressor. This will only make warfare complicated. Not to mention the idea itself reeks of revenge and frustration. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/145 "2018-08-28T12:12:22Z")
It’s so simple, yet you overcomplicate it: People dropping corps during a war shouldnt be able to rejoin a corp for the duration of the war (if it’s a defensive war) And add a 2-3 week delay to creating a new corp with a higher price so that people think instead of insta-folding their corps As for you calling me negative, that’s your opinion. I’m a realist, not a dreamer ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/146 "2018-08-28T12:13:32Z")
My dear boy, there is often a personal antipathy between players which can make the wars so much more juicy and interesting. When I went to Stain I joined a guy called Aaron who through sheer ability managed to upset almost everyone around him, the content was glorious and a lot of fun. Many war deckers hate each other and there are some real humdingers of massive egos running around rubbing up against each other. It is great content and something that make this game tick. I get where you are coming from in terms of a fight over resources and stuff, but it is more than that. That being said my suggestion is to remove this drop corp, destroy, re-create with existing name which many war deckers have complained about. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/147 "2018-08-28T12:14:13Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > My dear boy, there is often a personal antipathy between players … And as many as their are stupid players. No news. The rest is a matter of group dynamic. Forcing players to stay in corporations doesn’t help when you want them to stay with you voluntarily. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/148 "2018-08-28T12:14:55Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > It’s so simple, yet you overcomplicate it: > > People dropping corps during a war shouldnt be able to rejoin a corp for the duration of the war (if it’s a defensive war) > And add a 2-3 week delay to creating a new corp with a higher price so that people think instead of insta-folding their corps > > As for you calling me negative, that’s your opinion. > I’m a realist, not a dreamer It is not that simple, CCP have said that they want people to be able to move around freely, your suggestion is way too harsh. My one is not. You are not a realist in any shape or form. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/149 "2018-08-28T12:15:54Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > And as many as their are stupid players. No news. Quite true, but the fun part is that getting involved with stupid people hating on each other can be a lot of fun. I remember one extremely bright German player who kept coming back to Hub Zero because he loved the content created by Aaron. Was glorious. > [@Whitehound](#): > > Forcing players to stay in corporations doesn’t help when you want them to stay with you voluntarily. I am not doing that, they can join a NPC corp or a social corp when they get created, as they should. ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/150 "2018-08-28T12:16:37Z")
Can we get a dom vs drac deathmatch please? Hell I’d even provide the ships to ensure it’s fair. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/151 "2018-08-28T12:17:49Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > You are not a realist in any shape or form. That’s your opinion, which is irrelevant > [@Dracvlad](#): > > It is not that simple It is. Especially on CCP’s side. You basically want to implement player-level wars, which is beyond ridiculous to anyone being realistic about things ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/152 "2018-08-28T12:19:50Z")
> [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](#): > > Can we get a dom vs drac deathmatch please? Hell I’d even provide the ships to ensure it’s fair. He is pretty insufferable now, just imagine how he would be if he won it. 😛 Personally, I try never to do a fair fight, that is not to say that I don’t respect one if I have agreed it, which I have done a few times. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/153 "2018-08-28T12:20:59Z")
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**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/154 "2018-08-28T12:22:04Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I am not doing that, they can join a NPC corp or a social corp when they get created, as they should. They can do whatever they want. When they leave the corp can they no longer take part in the fight and it’s one enemy less. And when they’ve changed their minds and want to come back, then they can do this, too. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/155 "2018-08-28T12:23:00Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > They can do whatever they want. When they leave the corp can they no longer take part in the fight and it’s one enemy less. And when they’ve changed their minds and want to come back, then they can do this, too. Yes…, so what is your point? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/156 "2018-08-28T12:23:41Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Yes…, so what is your point? You already forgot what you wanted? Great. This ends it for me, too. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/157 "2018-08-28T12:24:19Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > You already forgot what you wanted? Great. This ends it for me, too. I have covered my reasons above, you just stated the obvious which exists now and will exist in what I proposed. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845/158 "2018-08-28T12:25:40Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > it is your reading and comprehension skills which are causing you issues Oh look He’s calling me dumb again How not surprising Do you call everyone you disagree with dumb? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-dantelion-plan/99845.md?page=8)