# The Drops on Ganked Haulers versus Items in Cargo **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 6, 2026, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470 "2026-07-06T23:40:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Hatch\_Nasty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hatch_nasty/32/512820_2.png) [@Hatch\_Nasty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hatch_Nasty)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2026, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/41 "2026-07-07T17:56:09Z")
I’m fine with that, to a degree. I was around when only NPC corps were war immune, and I think things were generally fine. I know some people complained about wardec griefing back then, but personally, I never saw it as an issue. Plus, we still have wardec griefing today, it’s just more convoluted. So I say strip immunity back to the NPC corps again, and let’s see where the chips fall. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2026, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/42 "2026-07-07T18:05:53Z")
I don’t have all the answers, but I think the starting point should be that you can only wardec corporations of the same size (+/-20%) or larger. And I think wardec costs should increase every week and only slowly be reduced. I don’t think structures should come into play as a requirement. ---
**Author:** ![Lesican](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lesican/32/448285_2.png) [@Lesican](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lesican)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2026, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/43 "2026-07-07T18:09:50Z")
> [@Malcoy\_Tweedhouse](#): > > Any tips or tricks I am missing here? pay a hauling corp like push x to move it for you, spend those 2 days? not hauling. Make more money doing anything else in that time ---
**Author:** ![Honzas\_Krutas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/honzas_krutas/32/497382_2.png) [@Honzas\_Krutas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Honzas_Krutas)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2026, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/44 "2026-07-07T19:04:35Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Sure, but as long as characters (like my hauling alt) can be war-immune such a change to replace ganks by war mechanics would mean those characters (including my hauling alt) become PvP immune. The current state of PvP in highsec is just stupid. It is unfair, unbalanced and too easy. The whole system needs revamp and I propose a simple change that would fix all issues. Give players a consent button. Another player is wardeccing you? You get a notification popup in CEO’s notification tray with simple “An enemy corporation wants to declare war upon you. Do you accept? Yes/No.” Likewise, when a highsec ganker decides to shoot at your ship in highsec you get a popup window “Another player wants to gank you, you do accept? Yes/No.” Only when player clicks at yes will the wardec be processed, only until player clicks at yes will the guns of highsec ganker actually fire (ie. if the player clicks at No or ignores the popup, then it will act as if the attacker had green safety - he will not be able to shoot.) See with this proposal nobody is immune to PvP. And it is healthy, balanced and **fair**. ---
**Author:** ![Malcoy\_Tweedhouse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcoy_tweedhouse/32/515656_2.png) [@Malcoy\_Tweedhouse](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malcoy_Tweedhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2026, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/45 "2026-07-07T21:34:16Z")
> [@Lesican](#): > > pay a hauling corp I would, if this wasn’t mostly planetary industrial items. I get taxed on export 12 to 15% then I get taxed on sale as well. Paying for 2 men and a truck is just cutting deeper into my profits. I think I am about 50% done. I will pause a moment and do some math. I was wrong, about 35% done. Looks like I will be at it for a while yet. No shipments lost yet. > [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > self destruct while in you hangar This has increased my speed using the T1 haulers and my shipping clone has no implants to lose. TYVM Another idea I thought about, is putting cloaks on the transports, but the cloak reduces speed, doesn’t really appear cost effective, and probably advertise I have something worth taking. > [@Honzas\_Krutas](#): > > The current state of PvP in highsec is just stupid. It is unfair, unbalanced and too easy. I see a lot of very expensive warships camped at these gates along the way. Are they waiting on freighters? It hardly seems worth while to lose a 50 million isk ship to a 3.5 million isk T1 hauler gank. I am more concerned about the T1 destroyers worth less than 1 million isk. ---
**Author:** ![Hatch\_Nasty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hatch_nasty/32/512820_2.png) [@Hatch\_Nasty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hatch_Nasty)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2026, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/46 "2026-07-07T21:35:49Z")
> [@Honzas\_Krutas](#): > > Likewise, when a highsec ganker decides to shoot at your ship in highsec you get a popup window “Another player wants to gank you, you do accept? Yes/No.” You can’t be serious. Why would anyone ever click Yes? > [@Honzas\_Krutas](#): > > See with this proposal nobody is immune to PvP. If they can click No, then they are immune. EDIT: Maybe this is a Swift-esque “modest proposal” type thing, and it just went over my head? ---
**Author:** ![Malcoy\_Tweedhouse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcoy_tweedhouse/32/515656_2.png) [@Malcoy\_Tweedhouse](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malcoy_Tweedhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2026, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/47 "2026-07-07T21:39:12Z")
I wasn’t going to say anything, but I will now; # Someone wants to rob and kill you, will you except the charges? 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Honzas\_Krutas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/honzas_krutas/32/497382_2.png) [@Honzas\_Krutas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Honzas_Krutas)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2026, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/48 "2026-07-07T21:54:51Z")
> [@Hatch\_Nasty](#): > > You can’t be serious. Why would anyone ever click Yes? Of course they would. Players like @Arthur_Aihaken always claim that they want PvP. They are just not given time to prepare as they are getting illegally killed by evil suicide ganker maniacs every day. If they finally had that time to prepare, to learn it, then they surely would accept the wardecs and ganks and fight it off. Same will happen if you remove high-sec ganking completely. Players will start vandering into low and null in massess as they will finally be prepared for PvP and the whole game will thrive. Lowsec will finally stop being a ghostland and nullsec sov map will finally see changes. Highsec suicide ganking is the root cause for all the problems in EVE. In fact, high-sec ganking is the reason why all the other CCP’s projects so far failed. Vangard has still a chance if they remove ganking in EVE asap. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2026, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/49 "2026-07-07T22:32:48Z")
> [@Honzas\_Krutas](#): > > Players like @Arthur_Aihaken always claim that they want PvP. They are just not given time to prepare as they are getting illegally killed by evil suicide ganker maniacs every day. It’s been several years since I was ganked, so I’m not sure where you get the “killed by evil suicide ganker maniacs every day” bit. A few days ago I was in fact prepared, and killed a flashy suspect (thief). ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2026, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/50 "2026-07-07T22:58:42Z")
Arthur has a mining permit now, so he is exempt from all ganks. ---
**Author:** ![Malcoy\_Tweedhouse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcoy_tweedhouse/32/515656_2.png) [@Malcoy\_Tweedhouse](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malcoy_Tweedhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2026, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/51 "2026-07-07T23:11:23Z")
> **[Mobile Tractor Unit | Arthur Aihaken | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/136708144/)** > > Arthur Aihaken (CODE.d) lost their Mobile Tractor Unit in Kappas (Lonetrek). Final Blow by Vladimir Norkoff (Income Redistribution Service) flying in a Hecate. Total Value: 15,524,407.10 ISK ![black-man-asking-oh-really-meme](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/1/3/313f0bef2d5673aad68e953d34977ff4b9a2e70f.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Kestrix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kestrix/32/420684_2.png) [@Kestrix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kestrix)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2026, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/52 "2026-07-07T23:12:07Z")
I use a Prowler with a covert ops cloak. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2026, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/53 "2026-07-07T23:20:39Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Arthur has a mining permit now, so he is exempt from all ganks. I only got my permit today, so anything prior doesn’t count. I also don’t count MTUs I’ve lost track of (and I do lose the occasional MTU). Finders keepers I say… (blue or not, they’re fair game as far as I’m concerned!) ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2026, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/54 "2026-07-08T01:28:13Z")
> [@Malcoy\_Tweedhouse](#): > > I would, if this wasn’t mostly planetary industrial items. If you’re looking to move PI items, try the Upwell Haulers: Squall, Deluge, Torrent. They’re great for PI! And the Avalanche is even bigger but I personally haven’t seen the need yet. > [@Malcoy\_Tweedhouse](#): > > Another idea I thought about, is putting cloaks on the transports, but the cloak reduces speed, doesn’t really appear cost effective, and probably advertise I have something worth taking. Cloaks on haulers definitely are a good idea. Blockade Runners (like the Deluge above) with covert cloaks are incredibly hard to catch, while even regular T2 cloaks make haulers hard to catch when combined with a 50MN for the ‘MWD cloak trick’ to align while cloaked. Just don’t use the much slower T1 cloak for anything except hiding in a spot while cloaked, which isn’t very useful to haulers. > [@Malcoy\_Tweedhouse](#): > > I see a lot of very expensive warships camped at these gates along the way. Are they waiting on freighters? It hardly seems worth while to lose a 50 million isk ship to a 3.5 million isk T1 hauler gank. I am more concerned about the T1 destroyers worth less than 1 million isk. Are you talking about Tornados? They can deal around 10k damage instantaneously, and are looking for targets with less effective hitpoints than that (such as badly fit haulers). So, make sure your hauler has more effective hitpoints than 10k or they’ll happily make the trade. The T1 destroyers too can be dangerous. Your 3.5M ISK hauler likely has cargo too which raises the price of your loot, and if not then I question what you are carrying: it’s easy to fit 50M ISK of PI in the right T1 hauler, even if you use a cheaper Epithal instead of one of the haulers I mentioned earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2026, 3:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/55 "2026-07-08T03:15:12Z")
I like the Torrent and Impel. You can easily get over 125k EHP with a tiny bit of effort. Over 200k EHP on the Impel with more effort. Either is enough to survive a half dozen Tornados. I don’t like the cloaky Deep Space Transports - and I’ll tell you why. First, their very nature screams “I probably have something good”. Second, they have a paper thin tank such that a single Tornado can usually take it out. Third, the amount of cargo they can carry is gimped. I’ve never lost a Torrent or an Impel to ganks - so that should tell you a lot about those two hulls when properly fit. I also don’t haul insanely stupid stuff on them that attracts all the wrong kind of attention, either - so that should also tell you something. Know your gankers and protect the weak holes in your shield/armor vs. Coercers/Catalysts, Talos, Tornados and Stealth Bombers. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2026, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/56 "2026-07-08T03:25:13Z")
> [@Malcoy\_Tweedhouse](#): > > Mixing 60% rubbish means. they should only get 20% of the valued items? Mixing in garbage will do basically nothing except also give you a chance to drop some garbage. ---
**Author:** ![Hatch\_Nasty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hatch_nasty/32/512820_2.png) [@Hatch\_Nasty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hatch_Nasty)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2026, 4:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/57 "2026-07-08T04:11:33Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Blockade Runners (like the Deluge above) with covert cloaks are incredibly hard to catch ^This. I use a Deluge to move PI out of lowsec all the time. You get the benefits of a standard BR plus that huge infrastructure hold. _Very_ nice. > [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > I don’t like the cloaky Deep Space Transports … they have a paper thin tank … the amount of cargo they can carry is gimped. Uh… what? I don’t know what DST you’re flying, but mine has 100k+ EHP and a 62.5km3 fleet hangar. It can move a lot, take a beating, and align in 10s with a cloak+MWD. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2026, 4:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/58 "2026-07-08T04:25:38Z")
Sorry, I meant blockade runners. ---
**Author:** ![Hatch\_Nasty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hatch_nasty/32/512820_2.png) [@Hatch\_Nasty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hatch_Nasty)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2026, 4:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/59 "2026-07-08T04:33:23Z")
Ah, makes more sense then. Still, my Crane has 15k+ EHP, so not exactly paper. You don’t need much more when you’re slippery as hell. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2026, 5:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470/60 "2026-07-08T05:02:33Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > I don’t like the cloaky Deep Space Transports - and I’ll tell you why. First, their very nature screams “I probably have something good”. Second, they have a paper thin tank such that a single Tornado can usually take it out. Third, the amount of cargo they can carry is gimped. I understand what you mean. Blockade runners still are my favourite haulers. They may have less EHP than the Deep Space Transports, but their much higher agility and covert cloak make them much harder to catch. I easily fly them anywhere in null or to Jita unscouted, even through Ahbazon and wouldn’t do that with any other hauler. Yes, they have lower cargo space but they also are far faster so if you need to do a couple of trips it’s not that big of an issue. And you can always swap to another hauler like a Torrent for the relative safe part of the way. I have a Torrent in HS which I sometimes use for that purpose to save me some trips. All my PI characters fly a Deluge. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-drops-on-ganked-haulers-versus-items-in-cargo/514470.md?page=4)