# The Economy isn't Broken, and Destruction is not Good **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 22, 2020, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457 "2020-12-22T16:05:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457/429 "2021-01-14T08:32:51Z")
@CCP_Aurora ---
**Author:** ![you\_are\_evil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/you_are_evil/32/246754_2.png) [@you\_are\_evil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/you_are_evil)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457/430 "2021-01-14T08:58:51Z")
> [@hellokittyonline](#): > > Have you ever played WoW? I played Classic for a bit. Do you know what their economy looks like? It is completely broken. Botters control the resources, RMTers control the market, and costs get to the point that no new player can compete. lol. BS. šŸ¤“ ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457/431 "2021-01-14T12:21:15Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > and imaginary fairy tales about ā€œboomer corpsā€ sacrificing newbies on the altar of ISK creation. Youā€™ve had conoco, sico and ICANP just in the past couple years. Corps send out mass invites (not mails, corp invites) in noob systems and market systems without any prior communication. New players are joining corps without understanding what it means. And the leaders of these corps arenā€™t supporting them. Thereā€™s a thread started a few days ago showing someone who struggles to teach certain members of his corp because they donā€™t speak the same language. Kinda makes you wonder what kind of communication they had before an invite was sent out and accepted. Some corps are clearly about grabbing any new players they can and skimming the top off their income (or in Naari\_Naarian case: forcing them to donate their isk for corp projects). ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457/432 "2021-01-14T12:37:17Z")
Agreed this has been a thing for as long as I remember and continues now. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457/433 "2021-01-14T13:02:15Z")
Itā€™s been happening since the AWOXing nerf. Thereā€™s no reason not to hoover up noobs on the off chance they pay corp tax. Yeah it does not surprise me at all that joining a player corp used to be the strongest indicator for player retention has now become ā€˜_only works if the new player receives support_ā€™. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457/434 "2021-01-14T13:04:28Z")
> [@you\_are\_evil](#): > > > [@hellokittyonline](#): > > > > Have you ever played WoW? I played Classic for a bit. Do you know what their economy looks like? It is completely broken. Botters control the resources, RMTers control the market, and costs get to the point that no new player can compete. > > lol. BS. šŸ¤“ No, heā€™s completely right. Source: RMT paid off my college loans, and pays my rent right now. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457/435 "2021-01-14T13:33:26Z")
> [@hellokittyonline](#): > > High-sec baiting/can-flipping/suspect play has traditionally been the entry-level PvP content. Thatā€™s ridiculous, and your post is full of fantasy and misinformation. Thereā€™s no PvP ā€œhigh sec baitingā€ newbro training going on and there hasnā€™t even been those situations for years. Youā€™re also basically falling back on the math of ā€œwe need 30 targets to train each newbro and if we sacrifice those 30 players to get one new PvPer itā€™s worth itā€. Your focus is so egocentric and unrealistic, **and** unprofitable, that only another PvPer would fall for it for a second. ā€œI want easy safe PvP, therefore give me weak targets in high sec safe space or doooom!ā€. Red vs Blue is how you organize and train new players for PvP. EVE Universtity, Pandemic Horde, etc. Faction Warfare. Resouce Wars could have been as well, if they hadnā€™t made as big a mess of it as they did. Pathetically whining that ā€œWe canā€™t logi newbros in PvP ganks in high sec so thereā€™s no PvP communityā€ is the level of crying and whining your style of PvP is reduced to. Itā€™s just sad. Grow some stones. Work with the _real_ PvPers. And tell CCP to provide actually interesting PvP opportunities, donā€™t keep begging for weak fat easy targets in safe space so you can continue to be lame and teach new players how to be lame as well. ---
**Author:** ![you\_are\_evil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/you_are_evil/32/246754_2.png) [@you\_are\_evil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/you_are_evil)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457/436 "2021-01-14T14:40:11Z")
Ok Karenā€¦i mean Destiny. ---
**Author:** ![Kelon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kelon/32/436470_2.png) [@Kelon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kelon)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457/437 "2021-01-14T15:21:16Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Petitioning every single PvP loss, and most PvE losses for reimbursement Which is corps donā€™t want people out when they are reds even in system. Itā€™s sad that people become so risk averse they canā€™t enjoy the game. Instead of telling players to dock or log out, they should teach them how to avoid getting killed. I think thatā€™s why EVE-Uni has such a better retention rate. Theyā€™re teaching people how to play instead of how to run and hide. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Tahl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_tahl/32/377209_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Tahl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Tahl)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457/438 "2021-01-14T15:29:30Z")
> [@Tharvus](#): > > So even in my case, where I deem myself a PVP player, only 2 out of my 9 characters are technically PVP chars, percentage wise thatā€™s 22%. And thatā€™s not even counting my alpha accounts I use for ā€œvarious stuffā€ which would be counted as PVE characters while, again, they really are pvp support chars. What kind of messed up thinking is that? ā€œMore than 80% of my chars are PVE, but I deem myself PVPā€. Wat? How are you not an alt-farmer carebear who only ever PVPs occasionally? If you spend the majority of your game time on your PVE chars, and you do, because pve, hauling, PI, market, etc in this game is quacking timesink and there is no way around it, how can you honestly deem yourself PVP? Some players exclusively do PVP. Some are exclusive PVE players. Some do both in different proportion. What is wrong in thinking they are all good for the game, not just your camp? Scarcity breeds war they say? Why dont they cut PVP loot drop to 20% or 10% so people had to kill more people to get the same loot? **Why instead they increase it to 90% during Halloween event?** Can they not add 1 + 1? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457/439 "2021-01-14T15:38:38Z")
> [@Siegfried\_Tahl](#): > > Some players exclusively do PVP. Some are exclusive PVE players. Some do both in different proportion. What is wrong in thinking they are all good for the game, not just your camp? Yet you are the one attempting to pigeon hole him into one category or the other. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Tahl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_tahl/32/377209_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Tahl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Tahl)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457/440 "2021-01-14T15:43:38Z")
I felt offended and retaliatedā€¦ In advance. šŸ˜… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457/441 "2021-01-14T15:44:18Z")
Fair answer lol ---
**Author:** ![Tharvus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tharvus/32/246994_2.png) [@Tharvus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tharvus)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457/442 "2021-01-14T15:44:41Z")
> [@Siegfried\_Tahl](#): > > What kind of messed up thinking is that? ā€œMore than 80% of my chars are PVE, but I deem myself PVPā€. Wat? How are you not an alt-farmer carebear who only ever PVPs occasionally? > > If you spend the majority of your game time on your PVE chars, and you do, because pve, hauling, PI, market, etc in this game is quacking timesink and there is no way around it, how can you honestly deem yourself PVP? Where does it state that all characters are used an equal amount of time? That makes no sense, I described most of them as ā€œsupport characters that only log in occasionallyā€. Yourā€¦ conclusion canā€™t be derived from what I stated at all. > [@Siegfried\_Tahl](#): > > because pve, hauling, PI, market, etc in this game is quacking timesink I donā€™t do PI as stated and the only hauling I really do is to get ships and stuff to my low sec entry point, for null sec pvp we have needlejacks these days so you can live out of Jita, undock and be in null sec 30 seconds later. My only real PVE char that makes me my isk does something I actually enjoy doing and is fairly competitive to a point where Iā€™m doing it in a pvp fit ship. I do that quite often as itā€™s chill and allows me to chat. Iā€™d say that this and my two pvp chars are used pretty much evenly. > [@Siegfried\_Tahl](#): > > What is wrong in thinking they are all good for the game, not just your camp? Which was exactly my point, unless you plex for income you pve for income and that means that even if youā€™re a pvper you still do pve. Meaning that his ā€œonly x% are pvp characters so only x% are pvpersā€ is meaningless statement where heā€™s reading in to it what he _wants_ to, because it suits his narrative. ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457/443 "2021-01-14T17:18:25Z")
My post is 100% correct, Iā€™m not stating opinions Iā€™m stating FACTS. Your kind does not belong in this game. PvE-minded player? Fine. Thinks he shouldnā€™t have to deal with PvP in a PvP MMO? GET. OUT. CCP only panders to you because youā€™re easy money. If they were really trying to improve their game they would be disregarding you and your kind entirely in terms of mechanics and balance because you do not have THE FIRST CLUE as to the broader impact of the changes you clamor for. You talk about retention, and then I give you the EXACT answer and because it doesnā€™t fit your narrative you cry ā€˜misinformationā€™. Your bias is almost as thick as your skull. Furthermore, you have NO IDEA the variety of PvP I take part in. And let me tell you, itā€™s pretty much everything. Iā€™ve done solo and fleet low-sec FW, solo and fleet Null-Sec blops, mission runner baiting, war decs, suicide ganking, even WH backpackingā€¦ and thatā€™s not even close to all of it. You attempt to pigeon-hole me as some kind of ā€˜proofā€™ that youā€™re right but instead it shows just how ignorant you really are. You have no **experience** with destruction therefore your opinions hold no weight. Iā€™m done responding to you until you post from your main character. The whole reason you donā€™t is because you know as well as I that it would expose your ignorance to the entire topic. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457/444 "2021-01-14T21:18:50Z")
> [@Jiv\_Jov](#): > > if CCP would allow ISK sales via USD ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/d/2d2b9532d737a99a48c8f955ec4358bff3312c67.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Ikarus\_Cesaille](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikarus_cesaille/32/255998_2.png) [@Ikarus\_Cesaille](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikarus_Cesaille)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 6:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457/445 "2021-01-15T06:18:34Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Corps send out mass invites (not mails, corp invites) in noob systems and market systems without any prior communication. SiCO and LinkNet never sends out direct invites. We send out recruitment mails that also includes information how to look up corporations on eve forums and on reddit if the players do not feel like joining ours. Our only goal is to get each new player into any proper corporation no matter which. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457/446 "2021-01-16T21:10:12Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Red vs Blueā€¦ the _real_ PvPers. šŸ™„ ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-economy-isnt-broken-and-destruction-is-not-good/286457/447 "2021-04-16T21:10:15Z")
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