# The end of CO2? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 15, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832 "2017-09-15T18:50:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 3:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/225 "2017-09-23T03:20:27Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > CCP will not come to your aid. This statement is actually quite troubling. You are convinced that this discussion is all some elaborate ruse for me to gain some sort of in-game advantage. You THINK that we are playing EVE Online and you THINK that the person speaking to you on this forum IS Mayhaw Morgan simply angling to win at internet spaceships. You have fused your “real” identity with your “game” identity and you are assuming that everyone does that. I am not trying to take away your right to blow up spaceships while pretending to be “bad”. What I am saying is that some people are psychologically damaged and they are using the game as a way of forcing others to conform to their own dysfunctional paradigm. And, a “normal” person, subjected to such a process, is likely to lash out in anti-social ways, like maybe by threatening the individual committing the harm or even threatening those around that individual. Furthermore, taking away a victim’s outlet of expression (the game, in this instance), might actually exacerbate the harm. I could be wrong. I may even be the one suffering from a paranoid delusion . . . but you should take a minute or two AWAY from the game and just think about what I’m saying. Please. ---
**Author:** ![Kaeden\_3142](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaeden_3142/32/378138_2.png) [@Kaeden\_3142](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaeden_3142)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 3:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/226 "2017-09-23T03:29:18Z")
The CSM members intends onsite in Iceland to meet with CCP. CCP has financial assistance with the cost of flights, lodging and transfers intending those meetings. The two parties involved with collusion was paid by CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/227 "2017-09-23T03:56:07Z")
You’re funny. I am but a simple man, playing a spaceship game. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/228 "2017-09-23T03:56:43Z")
I mean that’s a stretch, but if you want to drink that koolaid… that’s fine. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/229 "2017-09-23T04:32:41Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > What I am saying is that some people are psychologically damaged and they are using the game as a way of forcing others to conform to their own dysfunctional paradigm. And, a “normal” person, subjected to such a process, is likely to lash out in anti-social ways, like maybe by threatening the individual committing the harm or even threatening those around that individual. > > Furthermore, taking away a victim’s outlet of expression (the game, in this instance), might actually exacerbate the harm. Word. Anything else? ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/230 "2017-09-23T06:56:47Z")
> What I am saying is that some people are psychologically damaged and they are using the game as a way of forcing others to conform to their own dysfunctional paradigm. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/e/5ec9bcc149ff4df8051593d6e7d96960831816fd.png) 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/231 "2017-09-23T07:05:26Z")
As if anyone who is looking at game balance cares what the ‘Community Manager’ thinks about it, but CCP Fozzie is another matter. The issue is that being able to switch a staging Keepstar like that is not good game balance and it is something that CCP need to look at and perhaps adjust some of the granular control to give more protection on in terms of such a key strategic location. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/232 "2017-09-23T07:14:30Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > This statement is actually quite troubling. You are convinced that this discussion is all some elaborate ruse for me to gain some sort of in-game advantage. This is actually what is going on with most of these posters, you just won the Eve forums. Keep posting because I am enjoying seeing you show them that they are unable to separate their in game persona’s from their RL persona’s like most people and in fact project that on to others. ---
**Author:** ![Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/patti_potato_patrouette/32/18901_2.png) [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Patti_Potato_Patrouette)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/233 "2017-09-23T08:22:25Z")
As an interested observer and recently returned player I popped in here as I thought I might learn the fate of CO2 going forward. Would be great to see **in game** consequences for Judge from a drama/metagame perspective. You might say its none of my business, but if this had been kept in game, and if no one had been banned, the betrayal and theft would I assume have led to in game retribution and vengeance and loads of content (and drama). But it was not kept in game. Which is a shame for everyone, even people like myself who have no horse in the race and are just nosy, and especially CCPs marketing department. Many people, I am sure, would wish for a different result without wanting to undo the theft itself which, as has been observed by many **including CCP staff** , is perfectly valid gameplay. As for this thread… I don’t understand why someone is quoting Zizek and why we are discussing reality and doing amateur psychology key distinction for adults playing games - in game/out of game- concepts like reality not so much use kick over table, we cant play anymore not judging, sad for everyone, but don’t understand what this thread is about now can someone explain? ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/234 "2017-09-23T11:12:12Z")
I wonder why other groups haven’t lost their staging Keepstars or Fortizars? Just because something has a big ripple effect in-game doesn’t mean it’s bad… In fact, that’s how CCP designed the sandbox. Player actions matter. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/235 "2017-09-23T12:16:47Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > Player actions matter. Tell that to CO2. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/236 "2017-09-23T13:02:41Z")
I am pretty sure they know this. It’s an intended part of the game. That’s a part of Nullsec. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/237 "2017-09-23T13:09:13Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > Player actions matter. Not really… Your love in with CCP Falcon means nothing he is the community manager. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/238 "2017-09-23T13:28:24Z")
So, you say @CCP_Falcon 's words should just be disregarded, because he is only the “Community Manager” ? So @CCP_Falcon, despite being Community Manager, does not speak for the whole company? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > As if anyone who is looking at game balance cares what the ‘Community Manager’ thinks about it, Okay! I’m so glad that this forum has bookmarks, it’s one of the best features ever. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/239 "2017-09-23T13:29:52Z")
Player actions do matter. A single players action has just effected thousands of players. Gigx is also a good example of this: an alliance leader gets himself permabanned and his alliance falls apart, effecting thousands of players. That also very literally the first time I’ve communicated with CCP Falcon. I just wanted his opinion on how all the crybabies have been acting. He gave the response that I assumed a CCP employee would give. I would have enjoyed him saying “HTFU”, but I will settle for his neutral opinion and a clear statement that nothing wrong happened. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/240 "2017-09-23T13:31:07Z")
He is only the community manager, other people look after game balance, next thing you will tell me he looks after graphic design, sigh… ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/241 "2017-09-23T13:34:55Z")
So you admit you’re saying that the Community Manager does not officially represent the company, and that his words should be disregarded. Okay. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/242 "2017-09-23T13:35:16Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > That also very literally the first time I’ve communicated with CCP Falcon. I just wanted his opinion on how all the **crybabies** have been acting. > [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > I would have enjoyed him saying “HTFU” Well he effectively did! Still as I pointed out he looks after community relations, the website, the real issue around game balance in terms of this event will be looked at by other people, which is why I don’t care what he thinks in terms of this. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/243 "2017-09-23T13:35:37Z")
> [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > So you admit you’re saying that the Community Manager does not officially represent the company, and that his words should be disregarded. > > Okay. That is what you are saying not me! ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832/244 "2017-09-23T13:35:57Z")
I would imagine that as a community manager, he’s qualified to speak on CCPs behalf? I mean he has before… He did it when there was an uproar about Erotica1 being banned. I guess it’s only when he says something that you agree with is he then a credible source. Yeah it’s definitely not like the entire office at CCP wasn’t buzzing with what took place on Monday. Nah, surely none of them discussed it. Yeah you’re probably right. His statement doesn’t matter. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-co2/24832.md?page=13)