# The End of Highsec **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 14, 2023, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241 "2023-06-14T14:09:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2023, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/61 "2023-06-15T08:49:25Z")
> [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](#): > > Once you have anything constructive to contribute to the discussion, I might consider your opinion as relevant. I dont think I care whether someone who supports and by extension commits criminal activity in RL considers my opinion anything. Goons are liars, this is a well known fact. They also have thin skin these days compared to ye goons of olde and flag posts they dont like. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2023, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/62 "2023-06-15T08:55:48Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > So no, not even in the „golden age“ were those of us in high sec expecting for our silly little individual selves to be able to compete with large corps, nor alliances. Having high sec lay the game bare and raw helped make it easy to go live in any section of space. While groups tend to be stronger than individuals, during those days the game had _vastly_ more potential for single players or smaller groups to compete with larger groups via asymmetric mechanisms than it does today. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2023, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/63 "2023-06-15T09:03:29Z")
Arguably, though at no point did I have any illusion that I would have any real impact on established groups. I just worked on finiding a nice, open, gullible small scale alliance to take down instead for my first few billion. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2023, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/64 "2023-06-15T11:50:24Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > the game had _vastly_ more potential for single players or smaller groups to compete with larger groups via asymmetric mechanisms than it does today. I also agree with this. I’m of the opinion that this asymmetric opportunity was what kept places like high sec interesting, vibrant, and diverse back then, not some imaginary thought of competing toe-to-toe with the bigger dogs. Well, until one was charismatic enough to make it big enough to graduate their corp / alliance from these small asymmetric opportunities into the ones the big groups could do. Cue the dime-a-dozen „we’re gonna carve our own nullsec“ wanna-be CEOs of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2023, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/65 "2023-06-15T12:34:19Z")
> [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](#): > > I remember 2009-2011 golden age period… I finally had to add this to Bookmarks…especially for Eve… [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/e/9/9e9df009a20d46be72f39aca6671cd0a50c43d9a.jpeg "Four Yorkshiremen (subtitled)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEIApUNVBKg) ---
**Author:** ![Distaine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/distaine/32/502653_2.png) [@Distaine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Distaine)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2023, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/66 "2023-06-15T12:49:35Z")
"You are missing the point. I remember 2009-2011 golden age period when EVE was a vibrant, populated place and when highsec was full of individuals. These individuals were more numerous than any null block… or “nation”, as you call it. The game was way healthier than today and was growing because of that. Besides, how would you market Eve to the new generation of players in 2023: “Pay $20 a month to be an insignificant cog in a machine where your voice is drowned by hyper rich alliances of players who are playing this game for 10, 15 or even 20 years.” Yeah, good luck with that. Before you jump to any conclusions about my play style, back in that golden age I was in Morsus Mihi (THE kings of Technetium) and later Goonswarm and fought in two massive nullsec wars, but I knew then as I know now - new players are starting in highsec. Corporations are formed in highsec. Friendships are formed in highsec. New players need to get their bearings in the most complex game ever created, especially now when the game is 20 years old, before they jump in to null and have resources, skillpoints and knowledge not only to survive in null, but to have fun as well." [Antihrist Pripravnik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Antihrist_Pripravnik) 100% Brother, This is the way it used to be and all the flame you get is simply coming from the group of benefactors who are more than happy with the catering. They _are_ the cancer. ofc the answers they give is leave highsec and go to low or null. Thats the intent of killing highsec. To make it not a choice, but the only thing you can do. Ive heard one single dev at ccp ever say anything contrary. I forget his name but he said “Highsec is its own End-Game”. 🧠 ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/67 "2023-06-16T13:12:26Z")
At some point, XL structures in HS could be unable to be fueled. There, “problem” fixed. –Pragmatic Gadget ---
**Author:** ![Yendor\_Kashada2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yendor_kashada2/32/375746_2.png) [@Yendor\_Kashada2](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yendor_Kashada2)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/68 "2023-06-17T02:33:03Z")
…no free market now? Am I now not free from having to pay people I dislike for past transgressions in exchange to use R&D and manufacturing? I’ll find out in a month I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 6:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/69 "2023-06-17T06:25:31Z")
The market isn’t any more or less free with TTT gone, it makes no difference. Free doesn’t mean equality of outcome, it means equality of opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/70 "2023-06-17T10:34:46Z")
There is enough profit to be made by an outsider paying Jita 4-4 taxes that we no longer need to be housed inside TTT Keepstar. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/71 "2023-06-17T15:15:33Z")
I’m not sure why a number of people are asking “what will happen to high sec now?” as a result of these changes. It will make a tiny difference to trading around Jita, and it will cut a portion of easy monthly income from 3 nullbloc alliances. It seems unlikely that more than a few percent of highsec players will even notice any change at all. Highsec ‘drama’ (such as it is), will continue to revolve around farmers, multiboxers, and gankers and the various debates between people who want more risk or less risk in Empire space. Trade cartels aren’t a very significant piece of the overall highsec picture. ---
**Author:** ![Distaine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/distaine/32/502653_2.png) [@Distaine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Distaine)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/72 "2023-06-17T17:26:06Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Trade cartels aren’t a very significant piece of the overall highsec picture. lol Elephant in the room… open your eyes bro ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2023, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/73 "2023-06-18T01:04:25Z")
But is it really in the room? If we all agree to meet back here in a month and compare notes, will anything for 99% of the game have changed at all? The number of people who don’t even know what the TTT is is through the roof. Next Wednesday when it’s gone, everyone will still come shop at 4-4 and eve will continue on its way. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2023, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/74 "2023-06-18T01:43:07Z")
> [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > It’s always “the end of” something in this forum. I want a ship skin saying on it "the end is nigh " in big letters ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2023, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/75 "2023-06-18T01:47:48Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > The number of people who don’t even know what the TTT is is through the roof. It’s how they get away with it , how many use Poco and never look who owns it . I went to an out of the way sys , lots of people and they didn’t know about ganking . ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2023, 3:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/76 "2023-06-18T03:31:23Z")
Do we get a refund on our market orders listing fee after the tower blows up? ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2023, 5:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/77 "2023-06-18T05:19:49Z")
Lol, why would that happen? ---
**Author:** ![Aeryn\_Maricadie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aeryn_maricadie/32/373550_2.png) [@Aeryn\_Maricadie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aeryn_Maricadie)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2023, 6:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/78 "2023-06-18T06:04:56Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > It’s how they get away with it , how many use Poco and never look who owns it . I went to an out of the way sys , lots of people and they didn’t know about ganking . sounds like they need to educated, before the evil no good gankers get to them. Where was this system exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2023, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/79 "2023-06-18T06:22:09Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > I want a ship skin saying on it "the end is nigh " in big letters They should rename Jita to The End, since Hisec is “end-game” now 🤭 ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2023, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241/80 "2023-06-18T07:06:18Z")
Meanwhile just name your ship that 😼 In all CAPS maybe 🤔 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-end-of-highsec/409241.md?page=5)