# The EVE Online Ecosystem Outlook **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [December 27, 2020, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097 "2020-12-27T11:25:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![CCP\_Rattati](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_rattati/32/248386_2.png) [@CCP\_Rattati](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Rattati)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 12:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/338 "2020-12-29T00:16:38Z")
Good points, thanks for the constructive feedback. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Rattati](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_rattati/32/248386_2.png) [@CCP\_Rattati](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Rattati)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 12:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/339 "2020-12-29T00:18:42Z")
Can you please list out the main risk elements you see. Aside from Trig content within highsec, very few changes have been made by Ecosystem, if any. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Rattati](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_rattati/32/248386_2.png) [@CCP\_Rattati](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Rattati)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/340 "2020-12-29T00:20:57Z")
Technetium moons for instance. We have not had, nor do we still have those types of resources, but that is our vision. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 12:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/341 "2020-12-29T00:31:14Z")
> [@Kal\_Kalagan](#): > > Content is always there for those willing to make it happen and ingenuity brings it’s rewards. So you will, as you say, use ingenuity and will to make any new style of hunting happen if they remove perma cloak, right? m ---
**Author:** ![Kal\_Kalagan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kal_kalagan/32/248379_2.png) [@Kal\_Kalagan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kal_Kalagan)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/342 "2020-12-29T00:52:53Z")
I’m certainly not one to throw my toys out of the pram and threaten to withdraw my subs if I can’t get my own way. I’ve played this game on and off for 15 years and have adapted to whatever the new meta is and I will continue to do so. However I, like every other paying customer have the right to air my ideas, thoughts and concerns on this forum for what I think is fair and balanced and what I want to see in this game. And for CCP to hopefully read and take note. ---
**Author:** ![Syn\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syn_shi/32/242535_2.png) [@Syn\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syn_Shi)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/343 "2020-12-29T01:38:06Z")
I see the chest trumping " I alone can fix Eve…CCP is incompetent " is still going on. Annoying but consistent. Signed Eve addiction cured …you touched my drones…lol ---
**Author:** ![Hux\_Yarlo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hux_yarlo/32/389629_2.png) [@Hux\_Yarlo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hux_Yarlo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/344 "2020-12-29T01:38:56Z")
think all this can be inferred from the changes taking place. as a new player I’m figuring a lot of things out, which means I complain a lot into google and read old forum posts and discussions about those complaints. it seems these are issues that ccp has wanted to address for awhile but they also appear to be cautious about moving too quickly. As a new player I’ve been trying out different career paths and nearly across the board moneymaking is ‘in the toilet’ so to speak, especially activities accessible to new accounts. a lot of players come to the game and if they’re anything like me the first question they ask is ‘how do I make money?’, and I’d wager CCP is big aware of that and so was hesitant to make an already rough starter experience potentially even rougher. I’ve been pushing on because I feel like this is just a temporary ‘shake up’ and the economy will re stabilize eventually. hopefully ccp succeeds in reaching the stated goal of ‘low attention’ over ‘no attention’ gameplay. I know eve isn’t your typical game but ‘afk’ ratting doesn’t make much sense to me, there are so many other ways to generate isk in this game that don’t demand constant attention I’m not convinced combat in any form should be one. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/345 "2020-12-29T02:21:30Z")
> [@Kal\_Kalagan](#): > > I strongly urge you to consider very carefully any changes to the cloaking mechanics, an entire type of game play could be destroyed. If you not AFK you should be ok ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/346 "2020-12-29T02:26:15Z")
> [@CCP\_Rattati](#): > > Usually I would ignore a reply like this, but it is for all intents and purposes, a complete misrepresentation of what we want to do in 2021. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/347 "2020-12-29T02:26:44Z")
> [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](#): > > There are ways to counter your gameplays. it’s just some null players are too lazy to do some strategy. Ash really? Tell me how to counter 150 afk CLOAKY ( and dropper) 24/7? ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/348 "2020-12-29T02:28:19Z")
24/7? don’t tell me they don’t sleep. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/349 "2020-12-29T02:29:12Z")
> [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](#): > > 24/7? don’t tell me they don’t sleep we never know , right? Didn’t you saw the word AFK? ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/350 "2020-12-29T02:29:44Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > AFK? can they attack you while afk? ---
**Author:** ![NoaIV\_lambertsen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noaiv_lambertsen/32/245258_2.png) [@NoaIV\_lambertsen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NoaIV_lambertsen)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/351 "2020-12-29T02:30:01Z")
well they can’t screw hs mining much more what they take away the veldspar and little in the way of ice belts well if the belt even spawns in 20 jumps in hs hs moon mining ya hate to tell them that was dead the second the normal ores were removed and trig ores unless the crap can be now compressed it still hated as much as ever ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/352 "2020-12-29T02:30:12Z")
> [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](#): > > can they attack you while afk? Can you tell when they AFK or not? ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/353 "2020-12-29T02:32:31Z")
> [@Kal\_Kalagan](#): > > to kill us cloaky campers You don’t fit in the subject it’s about AFK cloaky campers, not active cloaky campers ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/354 "2020-12-29T02:34:32Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > Can you tell when they AFK or not? then the problem is they still appear in local even if their logged of. CCP should do fix it. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/355 "2020-12-29T02:38:29Z")
> [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](#): > > then the problem is they still appear in local even if their logged of. So CCP should do fix it. You missing it completely, maybe on purpose… as y can’t tell they ready to drop or not, your activities become disrupted by ppl not actually playing the game MOST OF THE TIME, how hard is that to understand? I’m not saying nerf cloakies to hell, just adjust it that if you are active you can still cloaky camp, but if you going to work and leave 150 toons in space they will die. ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/356 "2020-12-29T02:42:45Z")
If those cloacky campers are not logged off. they are still prone to mitaliminal storm. You bubbled your gates, Cloacky Campers is the consequences of that and CCP introduces the filament which gives you much problem. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/357 "2020-12-29T02:48:03Z")
> [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](#): > > If those cloacky campers are not logged off. they are still prone to mitaliminal storm. You bubbled your gates. Cloacky Campers is the consequences of that and CCP introduces the filament which gives you much problem Ah yes them the counter to that is knee and prey for Bob to.send a metaliminal storm? plz should be kidding. you bubbled your gates? is.this a joke? looks like you don’t go.to null much, and even so, what it has to do with cloaky campers? they don’t use gates . Filaments are completely out of the subject here. Cloaky campers don’t use filaments. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097.md?page=16) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097.md?page=18)