# The EVE Online Ecosystem Outlook **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [December 27, 2020, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097 "2020-12-27T11:25:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/483 "2020-12-30T16:30:54Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > Null sec without the consequences and risks of null sec? Sounds like a horrible thing to me but each their own. Some people need the pampering. What are you even talking about, null sec has local, poch does not its more comparable to wormholes. ---
**Author:** ![Haplo\_Shannow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haplo_shannow/32/272309_2.png) [@Haplo\_Shannow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haplo_Shannow)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/484 "2020-12-30T16:31:47Z")
Inflation is actually a good thing as long as it doesn’t get out of control. And if it gets out of control, CCP can just increase the sinks all around EVE, as simple as that. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/485 "2020-12-30T16:32:17Z")
Inflation is terrible, because you cannot save your money as it will always be worth less the next day. ---
**Author:** ![Haplo\_Shannow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haplo_shannow/32/272309_2.png) [@Haplo\_Shannow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haplo_Shannow)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/486 "2020-12-30T16:38:20Z")
It’s not a real issue unless the inflation goes way out of control. At the same time if a player leaves with a big fortune, he’s a little bit less rich when he comes back which I don’t see as a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/487 "2020-12-30T16:39:00Z")
A fully fit armageddon is 400mil now it was 100mil 5 years back ---
**Author:** ![Zuccini\_Vaselini](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@Zuccini\_Vaselini](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zuccini_Vaselini)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/488 "2020-12-30T17:31:07Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > Why do you think corps require full scope access from members, when they in fact only need name and corp to manage ACL, standing and out of game access rights? bwahahahahahaha loooool i wouldn’t wanna join a corp that doesn’t monitor suspicious activities And what exactly is your disadvantage if they spy on themselves? Got cought stealing and now you can’t join a decent alliance, or something? ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/489 "2020-12-30T17:35:02Z")
That’s the point, why do you want to join somebody you don’t know / trust? Don’t do it, or better create structures which don’t need trust to work. Which is the key. ---
**Author:** ![Zuccini\_Vaselini](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@Zuccini\_Vaselini](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zuccini_Vaselini)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/490 "2020-12-30T17:38:21Z")
i guess you’re right. can i join your corp? Im even willing to do logistics and stuff 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/491 "2020-12-30T17:43:09Z")
Sure, if I ever create one, I‘ll come back to you … lol. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/492 "2020-12-30T17:51:37Z")
> [@Tudor\_Toralen](#): > > But , at least there you actually have to convert those LPs also . No you don’t. You get the mission, you shoot the npcs, you come back, the mission agent gives you ISK. Not burners, normal HS missioning. > [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > You move the goal post and evading the problem like always. I never talked about communication, nor personal decisions, nor removal of standing, etc. I talked about intel regarding ingame activities and data. No, you were talking about making large groups impossible to run. And the change you’re suggesting doesn’t do that. It doesn’t do that _because_ what enables large groups isn’t ESI access, it’s out-of-client communications. That’s not moving the goalposts, it’s explaining why you’re wrong. > [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > Why do you think corps require full scope access from members Counterintelligence. That’s it. It’s not to administrate the group, it’s to be able to see ‘hey, this guy’s getting regular payments from [Character] in an enemy alliance, he might be a spy’ or ‘yes, this is the guy who’s been acquiring supers and shipping them out to re-sell at a discount to our enemies’. That’s it. Without those tools, we’d wind up locking other things down a bit more, and we’d return to more restrictive policies, but it wouldn’t impact our normal operations. > [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > That’s the point, why do you want to join somebody you don’t know / trust? Because the organization provides opportunities to do things that you can’t get elsewhere. If I only work with people I know and trust, I’d be working with the same 8 guys I came to EVE with, except they’ve all stopped playing, so I would have, too. ---
**Author:** ![Zuccini\_Vaselini](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@Zuccini\_Vaselini](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zuccini_Vaselini)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/493 "2020-12-30T18:21:02Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > why do you want to join somebody you don’t know / trust? I hate doing logistics, industry and long travel times. A big Null Alliance can provide a Market hub right at my front door, Infrastructure, Allies that work together to defend everyones assets. Lots of Crab hunters that can be shot AND Customers to buy the loot i take from them. Organised groups for special interest activities. Opportunities to make new friends. Joining world record braking space battles. That and an active Corp with people to chat with and help each other out on a day to day basis - those are the people i trust, the real and meaningful friendships but also people comming and going over time. You never know who might turn out to be a thief or spy and in Eve it would be stupid not to protect what you love. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/494 "2020-12-30T18:28:21Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > That’s it. Without those tools, we’d wind up locking other things down a bit more, and we’d return to more restrictive policies, but it wouldn’t impact our normal operations. Good, that is all what I want to achieve, though I don’t believe your spin. Let’s do it then! ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/495 "2020-12-30T18:33:30Z")
See Arendis’ answer. Goons wouldn’t have an issue with that. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/496 "2020-12-30T19:04:08Z")
I am not Goonswarm. I am a member of Goonswarm, and a part of the leadership group that has nothing to do with CI or services. My opinions are _my own_, as I have said multiple times. To attempt to conflate my personal opinions with an official position from Goonswarm is either an error, or dishonest. Stop. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/497 "2020-12-30T19:09:25Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > Good, that is all what I want to achieve, though I don’t believe your spin. Let’s do it then! A) You’re lying. Us locking down services a bit is not what you want to achieve. You want, by your own statements: > [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > to make big anonymous groups difficult or impossible to manage Which, (B) once again, your suggestion _would not do_. We’d simply move to more 3rd-party tools, rather than CCP’s tools. ---
**Author:** ![Zuccini\_Vaselini](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@Zuccini\_Vaselini](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zuccini_Vaselini)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/498 "2020-12-30T19:11:54Z")
Goons are the best lead and organised Alliance in the game, if they can deal with it doesn’t mean everyone else can - just think of Co² 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/499 "2020-12-30T19:22:43Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Which, (B) once again, your suggestion _would not do_. We’d simply move to more 3rd-party tools, rather than CCP’s tools. Which would make it easier to ban you all for abusing macros and scripts. Win win. ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/500 "2020-12-30T19:26:15Z")
While missions are indeed a source of isk, the MER constantly shows their impact to be far, far below many other sources. Lumping them in with the major causes of EVE’s economic issues is like standing in a blazing forest fire and pointing at the sun as the cause of the burning feeling you are having. Course, you probably included them for completion on the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/501 "2020-12-30T19:26:54Z")
> [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > Which would make it easier to ban you all for abusing macros and scripts. Win win. Except neither of those is what I’m talking about. So good job not having a clue. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/514 "2020-12-30T21:52:44Z")
So many salt from people speack of thing they do’nt understand. I will repeat myself (and i know one of you troll on reddit with that so i repeat here): You could remove standing Make alliance limit to 500 character Make peopel can’t dock in ncitadel if it’s not they’re alliance citadel … Remove ESI You will just nerf little and medium size entity. Big alliance will see very few change , beacause they already have a lot of member who make active intel (you know intel in 0.0 is not free and not make by bot … i know a lot of people think that but it’s not the case … or not the case in imperium). But for little and medium entity size , it means loose zkill , loose all kind of free intel give by 3RD tool, loose way to manage and planify… and a lot of medium/smll entity will be explode by fear of spy. You could said what you want, it’s blackout level of discussion : you think it will work , and people who know the game (arrendis , and in this post me ) explain you why you haven’t understand nothing. Ho and i m not in big bloc administration … i m just the bingo man of the imperium … So imagine a man who spend his time to make BINGO explain to “elit pvp player” why they’re assumption fake… Maybe learn to play, try different game play , and back to speack when you masterise the subject. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097.md?page=23) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097.md?page=25)