# The EVE Online Ecosystem Outlook **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [December 27, 2020, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097 "2020-12-27T11:25:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2021, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/587 "2021-01-01T23:11:39Z")
And what’s “the players” excuse for not anticipating it? Because most players complaining dont seem to believe it wasnt fine before, ergo how could CCP forsee a mistake that those critising the changes now refuse to believe existed? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2021, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/588 "2021-01-01T23:27:58Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > And what’s “the players” excuse for not anticipating it? On the one hand, it’s not the players’ responsibility to understand ahead of time what the effects of changes the devs make will be. It is, however, _literally_ the developers’ job to anticipate that sort of thing. But at the same time… plenty of players _did_ anticipate the effects of a lot of changes, both the scarcity changes and the ones leading up to it. However, when you’re in a competitive environment (nullsec, for example), you can’t afford to _not_ use the optimized solutions, because your enemy _will_, and then you’re at a significant disadvantage. So, for example, nobody was going to just agree not to seriously overuse rorqs and _not_ build supercapital fleets that were absolutely as massive as they could manage. That wasn’t going to happen. It’s a constant arms race, and nobody in leadership wants to screw over our people by intentionally losing that race. So even when we _do_ see what the long-term problems will be… we can’t afford to _not_ use the thing. We can only tell the devs what we see coming, and tell our CSM reps. And they tell the devs, too… But they can’t force the devs to listen. One of these groups has an actual responsibility to the well-being of the game, and puts food on their table and pays their rent by meeting that responsibility. The other pays money to have fun. There is no equivalency between them. Asking why the players didn’t anticipate the effects is like saying that if someone bought a Ford Pinto in the 1970s, why didn’t they know ahead of time that there was a flaw with the tailgate and gas tank that could cause the car to explode if rear-ended? After all, they’re driving the car, they ought to have a mechanical engineering degree to make sure it was safe, right? It’s not the players’ job to anticipate it. It’s the devs’ job. ---
**Author:** ![Svetlana\_Stakhiva](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/svetlana_stakhiva/32/227284_2.png) [@Svetlana\_Stakhiva](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Svetlana_Stakhiva)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 12:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/589 "2021-01-02T00:59:12Z")
The land of NULL SEC developed as hostile hareas and where united players fight for sovereignty and to develop their alliances and empires obtaining greater wealth, that is the context of going to null sec, and it cannot be that it is becoming a land nerfied and miserable and now it turns out to be more advantageous to live in safe space, the rorqual, the super carrier and titans were created for wars and defenses, they have finished with the land of null sec little by little and we already saw hundreds leave the game for the damage and modifications they make. We no longer want to lose more friends because they continue to damage the context that was offered in the game at first and for many years, if the problem is to increase monetary gains, they can innovate products that are consumed, easily acquired but that consume plex, accessories for characters, innovation in skins for stations, ships, before there was the part where you could interact with your character in the station and that would be great, it will return but with a context of creating it to relate in the markets, between stations of the alliances, etc. With an endless number of products for sale that can be from 10, 20 or 30 plex to 50, or 150, it would generate more purchase of plex and more demand for it, more monetary investment and they would be increasing profits without damaging the game that many have, obviously these comments are superficial, the ideas for all this must be specified and landed. ---
**Author:** ![Svetlana\_Stakhiva](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/svetlana_stakhiva/32/227284_2.png) [@Svetlana\_Stakhiva](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Svetlana_Stakhiva)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 1:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/590 "2021-01-02T01:01:35Z")
accessories for characters, innovation in skins for stations, ships, before there was the part where you could interact with your character in the station and that would be great, it will return but with a context of creating it to relate in the markets, between stations of the alliances, etc. With an endless number of products for sale that can be from 10, 20 or 30 plex to 50, or 150, it would generate more purchase of plex and more demand for it, more monetary investment and they would be increasing profits without damaging the game that many have, obviously these comments are superficial, the ideas for all this must be specified and landed. ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/591 "2021-01-02T01:13:44Z")
> **[CEO Robin Jung tells why Pearl Abyss bought Eve Online maker](https://venturebeat.com/2018/09/06/ceo-robin-jung-tells-why-pearl-abyss-bought-eve-online-maker/)** > > Pearl Abyss, the maker of Black Desert Online, has agreed to buy Eve Online maker CCP for $425 million. The move is a big expansion into the West for the South Korean maker of online role-playing games. The acquisition of Iceland-based CCP sheds... “” We found the company appealing for many reasons, one of them being that Eve Online is a long-running MMORPG with a strong core player base, much like Black Desert Online. I feel that we share common DNA as game developers who create top-quality MMOs, and together will be able to build upon our strengths to take us to the next level.”” ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 1:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/592 "2021-01-02T01:22:55Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Why pay a long term employee top salary when you can hire a new employee to do the job at half the salary. The same reason that some random off the internet can’t skill inject into a ship and PvP as good as some youtube video from 8 years ago. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Or, alternatively, work out why people keep leaving and, you know, fix that. That seems to be just too damn hard. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > That said, Atlantic-rock dwelling has its upsides. > > Less people for a start. Traffic is one car at a stop sign? Drinks are always cold? > [@Arrendis](#): > > So, for example, nobody was going to just agree not to seriously overuse rorqs and _not_ build supercapital fleets that were absolutely as massive as they could manage. That wasn’t going to happen. It’s a constant arms race, and nobody in leadership wants to screw over our people by intentionally losing that race. Have to say introducing skill injectors and turning the rorqual into a mining powerhouse at the same time was a mistake. > [@Arrendis](#): > > But they can’t force the devs to listen. Forcing the development team to listen earlier, since they do listen eventually, just it should be weeks and not a timeframe of months/years. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/593 "2021-01-02T02:11:22Z")
Translation: “we needed someplace to hide some money from the tax man, and they’ve been around long enough to be a stable purchase AND give us leverage in Iceland as a tax haven.” > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Have to say introducing skill injectors and turning the rorqual into a mining powerhouse at the same time was a mistake. In fact, we told them quite bluntly what would happen. As Fozzie admitted on these forums at the time, it was a decision specifically made to drive PLEX sales: make the Rorq dominant, and people will need to keep up with the guys with the most rorqs. So everyone will need to get as many rorqs as they can. That means they’ll need to inject into them. Which means they’ll need injectors, which come from extractors, which costs PLEX. They weren’t even subtle about it. We told them it’d break the game, we told them the Rorq was ridiculously OP, the CSM told them the same thing. They did it anyway, and admitted it was a naked cash grab. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Forcing the development team to listen earlier, since they do listen eventually, just it should be weeks and not a timeframe of months/years. The problem is that CCP developers are human beings, and they’re subject to the same failings all human beings are. Once they have an idea, and they think they know WTF they’re doing with that idea, it can be _incredibly_ hard to convince them they’re wrong. If even 1 person on the CSM validates their idea, that’s all it takes for them to ignore the entire rest of the CSM telling them they’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/594 "2021-01-02T02:26:10Z")
So do you feel they have failed in that responsibility as well? Edit: nm I guess you answered that above. If all this is the case, then why keep playing? And if not, why keep complaining? (Thats a general question, not one aimed at yourself specifically) ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 5:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/595 "2021-01-02T05:11:57Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > If all this is the case, then why keep playing? Because I like the people I play _with_. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 6:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/596 "2021-01-02T06:57:45Z")
I may have missed some context here but if “because I like the people I play with” is your reason for anything then I’m suspect you have answered most questions about Eve perfectly. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/597 "2021-01-02T10:28:34Z")
That is my reason for staying here as well, besides the fact that there is no alternative to which I and my group could migrate and have the same kind of environment. > [@Arrendis](#): > > But they can’t force the devs to listen. You can’t, true. But at the very least, by doing what they do, they give you a very neat excuse to berate them and make them feel bad for justifiable and not imaginary reasons. It comes at a great cost but it’s also a nice advantage. You can’t call abuse if the berating is just retelling the reality they created themselves. Poor CCP Convict. 😇 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/598 "2021-01-02T10:39:42Z")
Thats a good answer 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/599 "2021-01-02T11:51:39Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > Poor CCP Convict. 😇 Convict’s a good egg. So’s Aurora. They’ve been playing a while, and haven’t stopped when they became CCP community reps. I got nothin’ but love for 'em both. And really, _all_ of the devs are _trying_… they just fall into the same stumbles and missteps we all do. God knows I’ve done that same ‘I know I’m right no matter what you all tell me, BOB agrees!’ when it comes to ship fittings and doctrines (and things non-EVE related, too, obviously). It’s normal. We all do it. We’ve got our PoV, and if someone backs it up, that’s all we need to pull a ‘two against the **WORLD**!!’ moment… … and probably be horribly, horribly wrong, in the process. But we still do it. The devs aren’t _bad_ when they do it. They’re just _people_. ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/607 "2021-01-02T22:00:33Z")
> [@bluelysian](#): > > “” We found the company appealing for many reasons, one of them being that Eve Online is a long-running MMORPG with a strong core player base, much like Black Desert Online. I feel that we share common DNA as game developers who create top-quality MMOs, and together will be able to build upon our strengths to take us to the next level.”” lol in other words a VC threw a bunch of money at PA and said “get bigger without actually growing as a company” So they bought ccp. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/608 "2021-01-02T22:19:26Z")
[The Nosy Gamer: Pearl Abyss Q2 2020 Earnings Call](https://nosygamer.blogspot.com/2020/08/pearl-abyss-q2-2020-earnings-call.html) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/c/ac59d28b50d7d89ac89cabf846e25a449ec54c1a.jpeg) > Partially making up for the drop was _EVE Online_ . The game experienced a 31.9% increase in revenue QoQ and a 26.8% increase compared to Q2 2019. The $3.9 million increase brought the total _EVE_ IP revenue up to $16 million for the quarter. [The Nosy Gamer: Pearl Abyss Q3 2020 Earnings Call](https://nosygamer.blogspot.com/2020/11/pearl-abyss-q3-2020-earnings-call.html) ![Q3+2020+Revenue+Breakdown](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/b/8bc05e4ddd56229a8455ade953205e44d2bdc1cf.png) ---
**Author:** ![chow\_chowcyj](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chow_chowcyj/32/453111_2.png) [@chow\_chowcyj](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/chow_chowcyj)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/610 "2021-01-03T12:39:02Z")
@Alecjeay @megamatt ---
**Author:** ![Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tursiops_truncatus/32/232426_2.png) [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tursiops_Truncatus)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/611 "2021-01-03T12:58:57Z")
> [@CCP\_Rattati](#): > > That is a misunderstanding, we can confidently start adding more resources and ISK into the economy, by increasing rewards for the highest risk activities. What, you going to start selling mineral and ISK packs to go with the game wrecking plex and skill injectors? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/612 "2021-01-03T14:30:49Z")
> [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > lol in other words a VC threw a bunch of money at PA and said “get bigger without actually growing as a company” So they bought ccp. No, PA’s been printing money over in Korea. They needed someplace to stash it, and the VCs who owned CCP wanted to sell a company that’s a significant enough chunk of Iceland’s economy to get the President of Iceland to address FanFest. > [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](#): > > What, you going to start selling mineral and ISK packs to go with the game wrecking plex and skill injectors? No, it means things like increasing the drops etc. Hauler rats might have more valuable ore, for example. ---
**Author:** ![Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tursiops_truncatus/32/232426_2.png) [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tursiops_Truncatus)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/613 "2021-01-03T15:03:37Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > No, it means things like increasing the drops etc. Hauler rats might have more valuable ore, for example. That question was for CCP Rattati. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/614 "2021-01-03T17:49:45Z")
I promise, when you include phrasing like ‘game wrecking’, you pretty much shoot your chances of CCP answering in the head. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097.md?page=26) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097.md?page=28)