# The EVE Online Ecosystem Outlook **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [December 27, 2020, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097 "2020-12-27T11:25:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/62 "2020-12-27T16:54:24Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > You just leave the cloaked cyno logged off and run your eyes on another alt. At that point, you will need to log in with the cloaky cyno to cyno in a fleet giving everyone in system who’s awake a sign that you aren’t actually AFK, so they can prepare their bait. The point of an AFK cloaky cyno is that you cannot reasonably have a bait response fleet ready 23/7, but when the cyno needs to log in within a limited time window before cynoing in the fleet, having a response fleet ready for an hour is much less disproportionate. > [@Jxom\_Ruatha](#): > > The fuel (LO leak) concept would possibly have benefit, except that the covert cyno can portal in a blops with more fuel, at whatever frequency is required. It’s not simple, and it’s not working they way it is right now. Correct, the Covert cyno can portal in a blops with more fuel, but then you know he’s not AFK anymore, so you can prepare a bait fleet to be ready, instead of having the bait fleet ready for 23/7. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/63 "2020-12-27T16:58:59Z")
Honestly, I’m kind of disappointed by this thread. 5 hours and only 62 responses. Given how controversial and debated these changes have been, I got to say the discourse in here is just _meh_. Couldn’t really use my new popcorn meme for such weak mud flinging. I see the devblog was strategically placed during the Christmas holidays. Oh CCP you sneaky son-of-a-gun. ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/64 "2020-12-27T17:00:41Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > Given how controversial and debated these changes have been, I got to say the discourse in here is just _meh_. Couldn’t really use my new popcorn meme for such weak mud flinging. I mean everyone can log in their alts and make the thread feel full… kinda like the game’s population!!! ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/65 "2020-12-27T17:01:40Z")
Then they should. I looked forward to use my popcorn meme. Now I’m just sitting here with an empty feeling in my heart and a bottle in my hand. ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/66 "2020-12-27T17:03:48Z")
You really want these kids quoting themselves and agreeing with themselves on alts? k ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/67 "2020-12-27T17:04:14Z")
I just want to use my popcorn meme. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/69 "2020-12-27T17:12:50Z")
> `The semi-lawless frontier of Lowsec has the potential to become much more than it is now as the Empires’ patience with intrusive Capsuleers in Highsec is wearing thin while wormhole resources will see increased demand.` Put your attention to this. _Who_ are intrusive Capsuleers? _Why_ will wormhole resources see increased demand … … and _what_ does it have to do with _intrusive_ Capsuleers? What does _intrusive_ mean? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/e/0ed64d16318f5b56dd09ebf419769271571bc0c0.png) Can you name three groups of capsuleers, who are in highsec, who fall into this? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/70 "2020-12-27T17:16:37Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > Honestly, I’m kind of disappointed by this thread. 5 hours and only 62 responses. I believe this is a christmas related phenomenon. I remember the forums being slow every post-christmas. A devblog can wait, plus for those who read it there’s not really much to say anyway. If we go by the measure that people, who have something to complain about, are more likely to post … … then this devblog didn’t offer them anything particularly noteworthy to complain about. Gotta say, it was quite the interesting devblog. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/71 "2020-12-27T17:17:19Z")
> [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > > > Tired of hearing about AFK Cloaky Camping. If somebody is AFK, then they’re not at the keyboard. All those players that constantly complain about AFK Cloaky Campers need to harden up and start flying with a fleet. > > Tired of hearing from campers to “handen up” when they are more risk averse than the filthiest nullsec/highsec ratter. Harden up, my boy, actually do something instead of hitting that “f1 to cloak” button and winning. 😅 And you’re definitely missing quite a bit of grey matter for thinking I’m an AFK Cloaker. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/72 "2020-12-27T17:19:01Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > At that point, you will need to log in with the cloaky cyno to cyno in a fleet giving everyone in system who’s awake a sign that you aren’t actually AFK, so they can prepare their bait. > > The point of an AFK cloaky cyno is that you cannot reasonably have a bait response fleet ready 23/7, but when the cyno needs to log in within a limited time window before cynoing in the fleet, having a response fleet ready for an hour is much less disproportionate. In an active system, there’s enough people that the cyno logging in will generally be unnoticed. And I say that as someone who’s been on both ends of the equation. ---
**Author:** ![Felicitas\_Minbar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/felicitas_minbar/32/230700_2.png) [@Felicitas\_Minbar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Felicitas_Minbar)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/73 "2020-12-27T17:30:12Z")
I read that dev blog and considered my time wasted afterwards. It has little information. For what the blog actually is, there’s a nice word in German, “Selbstbeweihräucherung”, English “self-congratulation”. It’s not actually a dev blog, it’s just marketing. ---
**Author:** ![Igrayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/igrayne/32/401819_2.png) [@Igrayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Igrayne)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/74 "2020-12-27T17:30:19Z")
Why the hell bent focus on balance? Balance is the biggest cause of stagnation. It’s the biggest pet hate I have about you CCP, you treat anything that isn’t on the balance line with a nerf hammer, wash your hands and say job done. It’s such a reactive way to develop the game and very short term minded. Please stop it and stop this narrative of “in the desire to balance things we’re making these changes”. Its old, boring and is completely counter productive. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/75 "2020-12-27T17:31:51Z")
> [@Totchibana](#): > > If you cloak and play, your playing. CCP is talking about goonswarm members who log 150 clients on and camp 150 systems ALLL day for 7 months straight. CLEARLY they arnt talking about you cloaked playing. There is no way to ‘‘harden up’’ 24/7. 🤣 what a load of manure. 150 AFK Cloakers camping 150 different systems everyday for 7 months straight. > [@Totchibana](#): > > ‘‘focusing your attention on Null Sec and their endless supply of ISK’’ CLEARLY your new and HATE end game content or a lowsec sucker. Null builds everything you use sir. Obviously you don’t know squat, especially since you think I’m new. Furthermore, there’s different types of ‘End Game’ content for this game besides farming PvE content in Null Sec and then turtle up in station whenever you see somebody new in local… Lastly, Null Sec doesn’t even build half of the stuff that I use. ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/76 "2020-12-27T17:34:22Z")
Thanks for not refuting my points. ---
**Author:** ![Almighty\_Scan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/almighty_scan/32/188229_2.png) [@Almighty\_Scan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Almighty_Scan)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/77 "2020-12-27T17:35:44Z")
> - Address one of the most debated subjects in EVE, AFK cloaky camping, with improved systems to get rid of the frustration of AFK cloaking and its total lack of counterplay without removing the ability for hunters to catch lazy prey, or for spies to be able to scout and monitor systems with strategic value. RIP w/hs. Stop catering to nullpigs that are too scared to live in nullsec. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/78 "2020-12-27T17:36:20Z")
You definitely need to train up Reading Comprehension Level 5. ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/79 "2020-12-27T17:38:19Z")
Did i wrongully asumed that you are a cloaky camper? My bad. Only my message is still viable as an adressing to cloaky campers. ---
**Author:** ![Aesir\_Valtari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aesir_valtari/32/488282_2.png) [@Aesir\_Valtari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aesir_Valtari)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/80 "2020-12-27T17:42:27Z")
Well, the blog post turned out to be a moderately interesting reading. There was a lot of content that showed self-satisfaction with the decisions made by devs. Some intriguing plans, which will probably ultimately turn out to be controversial for many, or once again turn upside down the gameplay. What is sad, however, is that CCP are trying to put on their own misguided decisions and turn them into alleged successes or intentional action. The paragraph about the CSM role is dripping with hypocrisy. An overwhelming number of times CCP has pushed its decisions through without consulting CSM members or informing them about its plans at all. That is the conclusion I have drawn from reading the statements of these few active CSM members on this forum and on EVE reddit. This quote… “_When combined with data and feedback that is regularly collected from the entire EVE Online community, it’s been possible to follow up quickly on key changes such as the reverting of the “Aggressive” setting on drone behavior_”. It is a pity that this speed was somehow lacking in terms of making decisions based on the data and opinions of players during Triglavian Invasion Chapter III. Players asked for a proper equalization of the combat parameters of EDENCOM fleet ships in Amarr/Gallente space (which effectively blocked the efforts of NPC Triglavian fleets on their own) and Caldari (which were so ridiculously weak that now Caldari State is the hardest hit after the invasion of the empire). For MONTH, attempts have been made to make the CCP understand that there is a balance problem. By the time the CCP finally managed to take (symbolic) action, it was too late for Caldari. Let’s go on: the decision to change the drone’s behaviour triggered a huge response from the players. Many, very many warned that, although the intentions of the change are understandable, it would simply not make sense to introduce it as it was done. Of course, the CCP knew better. Then it withdrew from its decision very, very quickly. So the warnings of the players were right. It is a pity that they were not taken into account. And no, the proud statement that 2020 was a year of rebuilding is a distortion of reality. 2020 was a year of destruction of the players’ citadels, of destruction of ships and of the players’ assets due to the force introduction of aggressive Triglavians wherever possible, destruction on a massive scale due to the war in null sec space. Finally, the destruction of trust and, unfortunately, respect for CCP in the eyes of both veterans of the game and new players. This year was full of controversial and often wrong decisions on the part of the publisher of the game. It was a year of hard stick that generously distributed the blows. The carrot, if it was somewhere, has withered for many and is no longer worth renewing its subscription. It remains to be hoped that in 2021, however, the CCP will show more flexibility in its approach to the needs of its clients and will try to provide a well-tested and balanced content and solutions so that the game actually stands firm on the restoration path rather than going even deeper into the bottom. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/81 "2020-12-27T17:45:54Z")
In fact you proof again what i was explaining 2 years ago. You have the good diagnostic and you totally fail in to solve problem beacause you are unable to modelise your’re player base. In 2021 if you continue to make capital useless in 0.0 (and super), you will have no reason to see cap in space. More over after all bad idea (like blackout) a lot of player have unsub and stop the game. The way to make they come back is not to give “carrot” to go to a ’ balance’ way. But go in opposite : More umbalance, more income than the first nerf to make people come back, and after and only after you could think to nerf something. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/82 "2020-12-27T17:46:42Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Empires patience with intrusive Capsuleers in High Sec is wearing thin? > > WTF, how about focusing your attention on Null Sec and their endless supply of ISK printing content. If anything, the attention of High Sec Empires should be focused there. Low sec has the lowest population out of all 3 because its just gotten sh i te, finally CCP want to make low better and your up in arms… stuff that, finally low might get some love hoping to see what CCP bring. Where do you think CCP’s attention was on with the endless supply of isk hence the capital nerfs the rorq nerf the ESS and dynamic bounty the attempted changes of drone agro, have you not been paying attention. I am sure null sec by now is going no thanks I’m good no nerfs needed here. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097.md?page=5)