# The EVE Online Ecosystem Outlook **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [December 27, 2020, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097 "2020-12-27T11:25:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/1017 "2021-04-25T16:55:23Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > _Because they can’t afford the losses_. They could if they took them from their neighbors. 😉 And who says they can’t afford the losses? What losses? Supers? You don’t need supers to fight. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Sorry if you didn’t recognize that the underlying conditions contribute to peoples’ decisions. Sorry you can’t accept that you made an erroneous claim. Maybe you should have been more precise in your statements. People do fight over resources, and are currently fighting over resources. 🤷‍♂️ > [@Arrendis](#): > > Trying to compare conditions between lowsec and null, or null and high, is futile and only serves to muddy the waters. Thank you for admitting you were muddying the waters. Unconscious slip? > [@Arrendis](#): > > Exactly. Those wars took place under significantly different conditions, where the capitals and supercapitals weren’t present. In order to get those wars to matter again, the number of supers needs to go _down_. You were just whinging that supers would sit in hangars unused. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Supers will continue to be used when the risk is low, and the other side only has subcaps, or regular caps. Man, you really need to work on your precision and clarity when you type stuff out. It’s hard to be charitable and not assume bad faith on your part. First you said “war landscape without supers” something something, and “sitting in hangars”, and now you’re saying they’ll just be used but in low risk situations. But isn’t that currently the situation anyway, since you attribute the “constant lamentation” from the community to that? > [@Arrendis](#): > > I don’t see a massive number of dead caps on the other side of it, either. Um, dude? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/1018 "2021-04-25T17:08:43Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > who says they can’t afford the losses? The people not fighting with those assets, obviously. You have to weight the risks before committing assets, and the risks are lower in lowsec. > [@Xuixien](#): > > Sorry you can’t accept that you made an erroneous claim. Maybe you should have been more precise in your statements. People do fight over resources, and are currently fighting over resources. > [@Arrendis](#): > > there’s nobody fighting over the resources that don’t exist. That was the statement. Do I say they’re not fighting over the resources that _do_ exist? Can you please demonstrate to me where they’re fighting over resources that _don’t_? > [@Xuixien](#): > > Thank you for admitting you were muddying the waters. No, I was arguing that the two are distinct, and need to be evaluated distinctly. You’re the one trying to compare apples and oranges. > [@Xuixien](#): > > You were just whinging that supers would sit in hangars unused. No, I said they wouldn’t be risked in any significant way. That doesn’t mean ‘unused’, unless you think PL’s decade-long habit pre-jump fatigue of dropping supers on any fight involving a decent number of faction battleships constituted real risk. > [@Xuixien](#): > > It’s hard to be charitable and not assume bad faith on your part. First you said “war landscape without supers” **Did** I, though? Let’s go look. > [@Arrendis](#): > > a warfare landscape that doesn’t include supercapital warfare Supercapital warfare is a very different thing than ‘do people use supers?’ It’s ‘do people use supers _against supers_?’ Do supercapitals engage one another? But then, it’s hard not to assume bad faith when you intentionally misrepresent my statements. > [@Xuixien](#): > > Um, dude? 18 dead dreads is a far cry from ‘massive numbers’, especially when the other side’s lost 50 capitals of varying types. One side lost 18 of 47 capitals. The other lost lost 50 of 67. Do you think the No Forks Given guys feel like they took ‘massive’ losses during that fight? ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/1019 "2021-04-25T17:20:18Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > The people not fighting with those assets, obviously. You have to weight the risks before committing assets, and the risks are lower in lowsec. Are you comparing NullSec to LowSec? Please explain this: > [@Arrendis](#): > > No, I was arguing that the two are distinct, and need to be evaluated distinctly. You’re the one trying to compare apples and oranges. Ooof, talk about a double standard! If you scroll up you’ll clearly see that the only one comparing different regions of space was you. Go on - you just scroll on up and read all your posts where you compare LowSec and NullSec and the posts where I… don’t. > [@Arrendis](#): > > No, I said they wouldn’t be risked in any significant way. Okay. Well I don’t see the problem? Let people fight in regular dreads (not sure about your fixation on supers TBH) or subcaps. If people aren’t willing to risk supers, the people who are will have an advantage. Or neither side will, and the war will be fought with subcaps? I honestly don’t see how this is a problem or how this has _anything_ to do with the fact that - people fight over resources. Even if they’re in Atrons, if they’re fighting over resources then they’re… fighting over resources. > [@Arrendis](#): > > 18 dead dreads is a far cry from ‘massive numbers’ So? I never said anything about “massive numbers”. > [@Arrendis](#): > > One side lost 18 of 47 capitals. The other lost lost 50 of 67. Do you think the No Forks Given guys feel like they took ‘massive’ losses during that fight? So? EDIT: Anyway I’m heading off. "yeah but"ing gets pretty boring after a while. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/1020 "2021-04-25T17:25:49Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > Are you comparing NullSec to LowSec? I’m comparing the process of deciding whether or not to risk certain assets. That process is the same. The factors involved in making the decision are different, and so the results of the process differ. Not a double standard at all. > [@Xuixien](#): > > Okay. Well I don’t see the problem? Let people fight in regular dreads (not sure about your fixation on supers TBH) or subcaps. If people aren’t willing to risk supers, the people who are will have an advantage. Except that’s not how it plays out. You’ll have people dropping supers on subcap fights, where the supers face no appreciable risk. That leads to consistent lopsided engagements, and then to stagnation. We’ve seen it before, time and again. > [@Xuixien](#): > > So? I never said anything about “massive numbers”. > [@Xuixien](#): > > > [@Arrendis](#): > > > > I don’t see a massive number of dead caps on the other side of it, either. > > Um, dude? Yeah, that’s you, apparently questioning the assessment of ‘I don’t see a massive number of dead caps on the other side of it, either’. But, again, you’re clearly not arguing in good faith here, so I don’t know why I’d expect you to acknowledge your own statements. > [@Xuixien](#): > > EDIT: Anyway I’m heading off. Bye, Felicia! ---
**Author:** ![harelys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harelys/32/267586_2.png) [@harelys](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/harelys)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/1021 "2021-04-25T18:43:12Z")
I feel like this got way the heck off topic just reading this. but there is always assets at risk when you go to null no matter if its a war or not. but the real thing is that with all the changes coming i think that if we are getting big changes like they said in the csm live on twitch. They said that all ore fields in hs ls and null are gonna be gone at some point and it be all anomaly’s. i think the best way to put this into the game is make hs and ls the same as null for that. i think the bigger the anoms should be based on % of the system because that way you have to earn it. ---
**Author:** ![Vortigern\_Vitalis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vortigern_vitalis/32/455600_2.png) [@Vortigern\_Vitalis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vortigern_Vitalis)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/1022 "2021-04-25T19:09:22Z")
@Arrendis I do not know why you bother; there are certain people on these fora with whom attempting to engage in meaningful debate is like playing chess with a pigeon. They do not understand anything, knock all the pieces over, defecate all over the board and then, when one finally gives up bothering with them, strut back and forth as if they have won… ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/1023 "2021-04-25T19:38:23Z")
Because they’re funny, mostly. ---
**Author:** ![Vortigern\_Vitalis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vortigern_vitalis/32/455600_2.png) [@Vortigern\_Vitalis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vortigern_Vitalis)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/1024 "2021-04-25T19:40:50Z")
If they make you laugh, fair enough! ---
**Author:** ![Hug\_Motsu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hug_motsu/32/264439_2.png) [@Hug\_Motsu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hug_Motsu)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/1025 "2021-04-25T20:51:57Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Nah, even IRL, if nobody anywhere has anything to _take_, then nobody starts a war to take what isn’t there. your reading it from the wrong angle… the point is “if anyone has something that is +1 then the other one has”. just look at USA’s oil wars. > [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > Wait the M2 exctraction of super could be very bloody in titan to for the two side. So wait and see. m2 extraction is done and finished. > [@Makshima\_Shogo](#): > > This comment is gold. > > Remove local and replace it with a new and improved remake of D-scan which has modules that you can fit to your ship to improve d-scan with ye, no thanks… also local chats are unstable af. If you get killed by not seeing local… ccp says "erp. herpy derp, chat server not broken, this no game bug. (■■■■ you). " > [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > Nothing has changed in EvE because PLEX price in ISK ist stable. lol… plex to isk ratio has hit a new low, it has dropped by half in value, since 2 years back. you can come here with your weird logic and say “I’m right” all you want, truth is, only ccp can correct the statement you made. But I highly doubt that’s what’s going on. > [@bluelysian](#): > > Why these posts are that much difficult to read and fallow suddenly? becouse its 5 pages long qoute answering, that are 5 months old :))) ---
**Author:** ![ntopios](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ntopios/32/253890_2.png) [@ntopios](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ntopios)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2021, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/1026 "2021-04-30T16:27:55Z")
Wouao CCP again failed to go balls deep with actually fixing the game.Once more making baby steps by only removing the belts omg.What about removing the insurance from the game when u loose your ship we want to mean something ccp said(lol).No nerfs on the salvage planetary production and npc loot drops.No nerfs to 00 endless anomalies spamming .How about introducing fuels for sub capitals if u want to fly the 100 ships u got in your huge stock pile u need to have fuel and a ship uses an certain amount every hour of flying .CCP stopped reading reedit … keep this up and u will be left with no players .All that players want is a healthy economy people are leaving eve because of that when u people will understand the importance of a healthy eco system ? ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2021, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/1027 "2021-05-02T00:17:50Z")
> [@ntopios](#): > > bla bla bla Wouao ntopios again failed to make a good post. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2021, 12:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/1028 "2021-05-07T00:58:46Z")
> [@Hug\_Motsu](#): > > IRL , this could be true thou…? No. Arrendis describes it quite succinctly. And even if somebody does have something and you don’t…what resources are you going to use to go take that stuff? And even if you did have say some guns and ammo lying around, you expended valuable resources to try and take something and even if you succeed you can end up worse off. ---
**Author:** ![Vasya\_en\_Daire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vasya_en_daire/32/240886_2.png) [@Vasya\_en\_Daire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vasya_en_Daire)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/1029 "2021-08-10T10:52:12Z")
In general, it seems to me that the “risk modifier” is a rather strange update. 😀 ---
**Author:** ![WyredHardware](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wyredhardware/32/248469_2.png) [@WyredHardware](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WyredHardware)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/1030 "2021-11-15T19:02:08Z")
Wow, this aged really well? “we are going to make ihubs worthless next, break some other mechanics, create artificial limitations which are easily solvable with plex, and ■■■■ you honest players, we’re not gonna forget to buff botters in some way here as well”.’ Guess were just waiting on the ihub changes hey? Have you ever heard that the road to hell is paved with good intentions? ---
**Author:** ![ntopios](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ntopios/32/253890_2.png) [@ntopios](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ntopios)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/1031 "2021-11-16T11:09:10Z")
Poverty patch after poverty patch we should see where is eve online at mmo ranks at the moment 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ice\_mentol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ice_mentol/32/253226_2.png) [@ice\_mentol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ice_mentol)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/1032 "2021-11-17T11:35:43Z")
вы нагло лжете , смотря нам в глаза?! может хватит тратить наше время ? откатите все , что вы сделали до момента ,когда было pay and play. и хватит дерьма и лжи. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/1033 "2021-12-06T09:43:43Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/6/a/26a17c782deb68129f356f2f7c6248ef842fa5bf.png) This is bad. Really bad. But CCP is too arrogant and too smug to admit they have really screwed up. Yeah, yeah. Maybe the revenues are looking okayish…but if I can’t interact with others in game…why play? Eventually these numbers will kill you, you numpties. Scarcity is a failure. Get rid of Rattati or whatever that doofus’ name is. He is as bad a Greyscale, maybe worse. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097/1034 "2021-12-06T09:49:15Z")
> [@CCP\_Rattati](#): > > Usually I would ignore a reply like this, but it is for all intents and purposes, a complete misrepresentation of what we want to do in 2021. Apparently what you want to do is drive the PCU to zero…and you are doing it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/287097.md?page=44)