# The evil of Multiboxing **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 25, 2018, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297 "2018-01-25T15:41:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Trixie\_Lawless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trixie_lawless/32/257491_2.png) [@Trixie\_Lawless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trixie_Lawless)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/81 "2018-01-25T22:32:12Z")
Really? So if you pay 45 dollars vs 15 dollars but get to loot some fake space pixel modules you win the resource war? I didn’t math wrong. In order to keep three account going you pay the real dollars, or you pay the isks. Either way that’s a few billion isk garaunteed to leave you while there is only the chance for some modules. Totally winning! ---
**Author:** ![Trixie\_Lawless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trixie_lawless/32/257491_2.png) [@Trixie\_Lawless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trixie_Lawless)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/82 "2018-01-25T22:36:35Z")
Duuuuuuuude. By your logic purchasing plex for ingame isk should be considered paying to win. You are spending money to acquire resources to give you an advantage in the activity you are participating in. You are like an 8 month old toon. What are you doing flying around in bling vindi’s and nestors?! There is absolutely no way you can convince me that an 8 month old toon has trained the skills and earned the isk to fly what you have been flying. If you tell me you havent bought isk or injectors I would not believe you. Get out of here with this whiny pay to win stuff. Lol ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_ayeipsia/32/23528_2.png) [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Ayeipsia)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/83 "2018-01-25T22:41:42Z")
> [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > beeing Only because this mistake is repeated often… Being There is no need for the second “e”. Sorry, had to be said. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/84 "2018-01-25T22:54:07Z")
Maybe it is a redundant goonswarm pun (intended or bad habit)? ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/85 "2018-01-25T22:55:09Z")
no need to apologise, iv gone to war over less ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/86 "2018-01-25T23:18:32Z")
> [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > That’s basically what it comes down to. The only way to win as a solo player in EVE, is never to play EVE solo, ever. Wich goes a long way to confirm my suspicion regarding pvp in EVE, it simply doesnt exits. Playing solo is like going into a boxing match with one arm tied behind your back. You are at a serious disadvantage and will often lose a fight. This is not because of multiboxing alone, but because numbers always give you an advantage. Either accept this, quit, or change how you play. > [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > EVE is a sandbox game, in that players themselves help create the game, and the rules they play by in the EVE universe. CCP has no interest in banning or combatting multiboxing, because most influential players want multiboxing to be a part of the game. It is the fact that EVE is a sandbox is why CCP allows multiboxing. Generally in combat multiboxing is less effective than having people at the controls, IMO. > [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > I just excersise my right to share my experience with this aspect of the game, and I think many new players share this experience of beeing prey to players who are willing to exploit any aspect of the game to win the advantage, no matter how unfair it is to other players. That is the fundamental nature of this game, and of complex adaptive systems in general. If you don’t like this…there is always checkers. > [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > Why do people whine about botting and automation, if I can’t whine about multiboxing? I think people with this attitude do so because multiboxing is working well for them. You can complain, but you are making a category error. You can counter multiboxing with buddies or multiboxing yourself, or even being more alert and avoiding the conflict. With botting that harms all other players by debasing the in game currency. The only way to try and counter this is to spend your ISK as fast as possible and bot yourself which of course can lead to a death spiral. So complain away, you probably won’t find too many who agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frodel_beit-lehem/32/275538_2.png) [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frodel_Beit-Lehem)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/87 "2018-01-25T23:24:14Z")
> [@Trixie\_Lawless](#): > > Duuuuuuuude. By your logic purchasing plex for ingame is should be considered paying to win. You are spending money to acquire resources to give you an advantage in the activity you are participating in. > > You are like an 8 month old toon. What are you doing flying around in bling vindi’s and nestors?! > > There is absolutely no way you can convince me that an 8 month old toon has trained the skills and earned the oak to fly what you have been flying. If you tell me you havent bought oak or injectors I woukd not believe you. Sinse yo ask so politly, I’ll tell you. The Vindi I built with ore I mined while I was an Alpha clone. It took me probably two-three months to accuire that Vindi, and I have blinged it gradually through running with an incursion fleet. The skills are not that hard to get but it took me around 60 days if my memory serves me correct. I have injected some skills, that I do not deny, but I have bought the majority of those injectors with ISK I have accired ingame as I consistently make around 20-30 bill ISK each month playing EVE. That might sound like a lot to some EVE players, but I can promis you that some multiboxers I know make a lot more than that. Not because they play more, but because multiboxing also multiply the ammount of ISK they make. This pay-to-win argument was made by someone else up in this thread but I see his point. My point is that multiboxing give individual players the oportunity to force-multiply in a way that would othervise be obtainable only by a fleet. I don’t feel the same way when I loose to a group of players, that’s understandable, but when a single player have that same power to drop on you then I don’t see any future in this game for anyone choosing to play solo. “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely” -Lord Acton ---
**Author:** ![Piugattuk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piugattuk/32/292316_2.png) [@Piugattuk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piugattuk)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/88 "2018-01-25T23:29:25Z")
I agree with you, I may not know PVP fits well but I know enough to know that will die in a PVP setting, no nuets, energy vamps, webbers, warp scrams, against a VNI which cap isn’t going to shut down his drones, kill his drones with your drones. ---
**Author:** ![Trixie\_Lawless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trixie_lawless/32/257491_2.png) [@Trixie\_Lawless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trixie_Lawless)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/89 "2018-01-25T23:30:50Z")
All hope is lost with this carebear. Turn back now all ye who enter here ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/90 "2018-01-25T23:44:23Z")
> [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > …bought the **majority** of those injectors with ISK I have accired ingame… Where did the other injectors come from? You didn’t happen to “pay to win” did you? –Curious Gadget ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/91 "2018-01-25T23:44:57Z")
> [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > 20-30 bill ISK each month elaborate ---
**Author:** ![Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frodel_beit-lehem/32/275538_2.png) [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frodel_Beit-Lehem)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/92 "2018-01-25T23:53:20Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > You can complain, but you are making a category error. You can counter multiboxing with buddies or multiboxing yourself, or even being more alert and avoiding the conflict. I’ve allready tuched upon most of the points you make, and basically made the same arguments. As to this argument, I fully agree to the first part, but trying to counter multiboxing by doing multiboxing would be like combating drug abuse by taking drugs in my opoinion. To the first argument, I would say that going into a boxing mach would probably constiture the purest form of pvp. Only in EVE is pvp considered a mach with one arm tied behinf your back. I have often thought that maybe this was because the old player base in EVE have accuired skillpoints for 15 years. As a new player I think this is deffinitly one of the main reasons people buy skill injectors; there simply isn’t enough time left in EVE to get the skills required to compete against 15 years of skill farming. ---
**Author:** ![Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frodel_beit-lehem/32/275538_2.png) [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frodel_Beit-Lehem)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/93 "2018-01-25T23:56:50Z")
> [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](#): > > 20-30 bill ISK each month > > elaborate I play 6-8h a day, 130-200m ISK/h running fleets with the largest Incursion community in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/94 "2018-01-26T00:01:29Z")
So EVE is not just your second job but your primary? 😮 ---
**Author:** ![Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frodel_beit-lehem/32/275538_2.png) [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frodel_Beit-Lehem)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/95 "2018-01-26T00:03:55Z")
> [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > Where did the other injectors come from? > > You didn’t happen to “pay to win” did you? I “win” the oportunity to be ganked by multiboxers on a regular basis. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/96 "2018-01-26T00:09:53Z")
Multi-boxers who paid the same amount as you if i’m reading your silence to my question correctly. –Gadget waits ---
**Author:** ![Trixie\_Lawless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trixie_lawless/32/257491_2.png) [@Trixie\_Lawless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trixie_Lawless)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/97 "2018-01-26T00:11:15Z")
I know how you could quit getting ganked… And I’m even willing to tell you, for a small fee of 5 bill. I’m getting ready to log in in a few. Just send the isk my way and a letter letting me know your location. I’ll swing by your system and show you. ---
**Author:** ![Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frodel_beit-lehem/32/275538_2.png) [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frodel_Beit-Lehem)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/98 "2018-01-26T00:12:23Z")
Skill Training Complete - Capital Ship Construction : Level 3 Yey, maybe I can counter multiboxing if I build myself a Dreadnought!? What do you guys think? Yes? No? ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/99 "2018-01-26T00:15:42Z")
Depends on who you give the dreadnought to in order to buy fleetmates… –Gadget Needs to check her sales ---
**Author:** ![Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frodel_beit-lehem/32/275538_2.png) [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frodel_Beit-Lehem)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297/100 "2018-01-26T00:17:10Z")
> [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > Depends on who you give the dreadnought to in order to buy fleetmates… You want one? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-evil-of-multiboxing/53297.md?page=6)