# The Federation Dares to be Great Again **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [January 3, 2019, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056 "2019-01-03T02:50:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Hevaima\_Gesakaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hevaima_gesakaarin/32/167063_2.png) [@Hevaima\_Gesakaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hevaima_Gesakaarin)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/41 "2019-01-11T06:48:32Z")
I’d say the story between the State and Federation only has to do with identity a process that has repeated itself through history: Colonists leave a mother country, usually due to overpopulation and related economic issues. For the first to third generation, the colony usually maintains its identity of being loyal to the mother country. After about the fourth, the question starts being asked why taxes have to be paid to a distant land they never even knew. The Caldari State really isn’t unique in that dynamic. What makes the decisions of Duvailer even more questionable is that the Gallente went through the airship wars as result of home countries fighting established colonies among other things. There was plenty of precedent to know the likely outcomes of using force against seceding colonies. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/42 "2019-01-11T08:45:39Z")
> [@Chuyo](#): > > We know that certain people tend to get certain diseases at a higher rate. Why? Because of their race. I’m not saying anyone is inferior or superior, I’m simply saying that we have statistics to back up the fact that there are certain things that affect certain races. I’m open to everyone is human, but I will say that different groups of humans are varied. > > How much variation is there between groups who were on different planets? Apparently, no more difference than there is between groups on the same planet. After all, the differences in aptitude, etc, between a Sebiestor and a Brutor—both members of groups who were on Pator, the same planet, is roughly the same as between a Gallente and a Civire (different planets, same system) or an Achuran and a Jin-Mei, or _any_ of those and a ‘True Amarr’. Obviously, populations and lineages have genetic markers and hereditary influences, but to claim this rises to the level of ‘race’… that’s just ridiculous. > [@Tressith\_Sefira](#): > > I’m further confused by your assertion that there’s a pressure to assimilate. Which identity are we going to pressure people to assimilate to, again? _Federal_. The multi-cultural amalgam that borrows from all of the component cultures that have mixed together in it, and so truly belongs to none of them. And yes, it definitely exists. I’ve encountered it myself just in the scope of baselining visits to the Federation when longer hair and a coat were enough to keep my jacks hidden. It’s an unwritten _expectation_ that you’ll be open and eager to embrace other cultures, to take on some of their ways, to celebrate their holidays and join in their gatherings. Start saying ‘no’, as politely as you can. Start insisting that the things you don’t speak of to outsiders… you _won’t speak of to outsiders_. See how fast the air chills. See how quickly the muttering starts. ---
**Author:** ![Bataav](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bataav/32/502151_2.png) [@Bataav](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bataav)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/43 "2019-01-11T11:42:50Z")
> [@Tressith\_Sefira](#): > > I’m not certain what you mean by the “treatment of the Intaki within the Federation” You should spend some time in Solitude. But the problem not exclusive to that single region. You said earlier, > [@Tressith\_Sefira](#): > > It’s hard to explain to someone who hasn’t lived it, I think. I couldn’t agree more. And with regards to the blurred lines between what defines culture, ethnicity and race - This is a topic that’s of great interest to me, especially in the context of identity politics within the Federation, so it’s unfortunate that I’ll be unavailable to contribute more over the next day or so. I’ll definately have something to contribute when I return. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/44 "2019-01-11T11:50:49Z")
> [@Jason\_Galente](#): > > You immigrated here. You’re not ethnic Gallente. Actually, Jason, I have information about something that would say that you are wrong on this point. Wronger than pockets on a transparent plastiglass corset-dress. ---
**Author:** ![Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/charles_cambridge_schmidt/32/372217_2.png) [@Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Charles_Cambridge_Schmidt)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/45 "2019-01-11T16:37:33Z")
> [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > Wronger than pockets on a transparent plastiglass corset-dress. Please don’t talk about these sorts of things if you don’t know that pockets on a transparent plastiglass corset-dress are a fashion statement and, currently, ‘in’ in some of the more prominent Vylade fashion clades. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/46 "2019-01-11T16:41:21Z")
> [@Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](#): > > > [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > > > Wronger than pockets on a transparent plastiglass corset-dress. > > Please don’t talk about these sorts of things if you don’t know that pockets on a transparent plastiglass corset-dress are a fashion statement and, currently, ‘in’ in some of the more prominent Vylade fashion clades. If you put stuff in the pockets of your transparent plastiglass corset-dress, then EVERYONE CAN SEE WHATS IN YOUR POCKETS ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/47 "2019-01-11T16:50:28Z")
Charles, it’s _Val_. If she says it’s wrong, then that’s that. It’s right. ---
**Author:** ![Jason\_Galente](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jason_galente/32/383984_2.png) [@Jason\_Galente](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jason_Galente)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/48 "2019-01-11T17:14:43Z")
Are we talking about transparent clothing now? Tressith, need further reasons why I left the Federation? You might think it sounds nice, but the people who actually wear stuff like that _are never the people who should_ ---
**Author:** ![Saccade\_Amir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saccade_amir/32/303830_2.png) [@Saccade\_Amir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saccade_Amir)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/49 "2019-01-11T17:40:58Z")
ay I heard somebody talken ■■■■ outi a face n maken on rude remarx n acusimeieunts on a fed n I ran a whole way so I can tell you for SURE I mean cena percent certaine all true EDIT: xep that thing jason just made bote the shirx cos im jus buy one ate on it ---
**Author:** ![Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veikitamo_gesakaarin/32/314638_2.png) [@Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veikitamo_Gesakaarin)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/50 "2019-01-11T21:01:58Z")
You, I adore. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/51 "2019-01-11T21:07:29Z")
> [@Chuyo](#): > > I’m not a racist, I’d never claim to be. But we do know that certain people are good at certain things. We know that certain people tend to get certain diseases at a higher rate. This is how racism starts. > [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > If you put stuff in the pockets of your transparent plastiglass corset-dress, then EVERYONE CAN SEE WHATS IN YOUR POCKETS I’m so amused that, in the case of a transparent dress, you are concerned about people seeing through _the pockets_. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/52 "2019-01-11T21:16:47Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > > [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > > > If you put stuff in the pockets of your transparent plastiglass corset-dress, then EVERYONE CAN SEE WHATS IN YOUR POCKETS > > I’m so amused that, in the case of a transparent dress, you are concerned about people seeing through _the pockets_. Well, think about it. what would you keep in your pockets ? loose coins, a hankie, a pen for writing on things, a mini-makeup kit, and so on. Do you want _everyone_ to see your _stuff_ ? I mean, it’s a given, that your _body_ is on display, if you’ve chosen to wear a transparent plastiglass corset-dress. And that’s why pockets on transparent clothing are WRONG ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/53 "2019-01-11T21:21:54Z")
…this is actually a very good point. Was not expecting that. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/54 "2019-01-11T21:41:09Z")
Since when did any garments for women made in the Federation have _functional_ pockets anyway? Pockets on transparent clothing is just fine, you can’t actually put anything in there anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Saccade\_Amir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saccade_amir/32/303830_2.png) [@Saccade\_Amir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saccade_Amir)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/55 "2019-01-11T21:45:45Z")
fuxin mar you see nothen now you allowen me a explain an we know where this comx from anybody come at me on a fashioun or a bad decision or any federale thing cn ate on twixe ay m gon tell you why they wearen a poxet on a plastic dress n on a hear of you you say MUFUXINA SACCADE HOW I WAS SO POORLY-INFORM ON A GALLENTE ■■■■ sok i got u u don put nast n bore stuf in a clear poxet na NA. u put only the mos piquant n artfeul incrimenateux thing in a clear poxet. u make em INARESTEN n SUGESTIF, xpetial a ones on u ass. make on a privete story abretif but everybode who look on u get a see a hint s excite leave on this a expert yna we gox we gox u just sit bax n loox on n have a dream ya wues out on when ya find dress plastiq on a galnet auxioune site ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/56 "2019-01-11T21:52:05Z")
Not even gonna lie, I’m seriously considering trying this. ---
**Author:** ![Saccade\_Amir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saccade_amir/32/303830_2.png) [@Saccade\_Amir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saccade_Amir)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/57 "2019-01-11T22:01:58Z")
ye cma u maxe erbode wanna most don canna–but u can ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/58 "2019-01-11T22:10:31Z")
> [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > Do you want _everyone_ to see your _stuff_ ? Generally, yes? Why do you think capsuleers put their erections up everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Skyweir\_Kinnison](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skyweir_kinnison/32/296696_2.png) [@Skyweir\_Kinnison](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skyweir_Kinnison)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/59 "2019-01-11T22:32:54Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > Since when did any garments for women made in the Federation have _functional_ pockets anyway? Pockets on transparent clothing is just fine, you can’t actually put anything in there anyway. The transparent plastiglass corset-dress is not just for women, you know. Moreover, the item one places in the pocket of a transparent plastiglass corset-dress is a statement. It’s the careful choice of just the right accessory that makes one recognisable as the _cognoscenti_ - or commits a catastrophic _faux-pas_. ---
**Author:** ![Saccade\_Amir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saccade_amir/32/303830_2.png) [@Saccade\_Amir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saccade_Amir)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/60 "2019-01-11T23:08:01Z")
^ summa gexna wa malayen on a table u puten a grody walete grody hankye where people can see? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056.md?page=4)