# The Federation Dares to be Great Again **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [January 3, 2019, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056 "2019-01-03T02:50:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Aradina\_Varren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aradina_varren/32/398702_2.png) [@Aradina\_Varren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aradina_Varren)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/61 "2019-01-12T00:30:42Z")
The Federation can’t truly be great until pockets are plentiful and opaque. ---
**Author:** ![Jason\_Galente](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jason_galente/32/383984_2.png) [@Jason\_Galente](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jason_Galente)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/62 "2019-01-12T01:27:34Z")
It’s also scientifically true. Denying reality isn’t a good way to ‘prevent racism’. There are other ways. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/63 "2019-01-12T01:28:42Z")
🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Jason\_Galente](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jason_galente/32/383984_2.png) [@Jason\_Galente](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jason_Galente)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/64 "2019-01-12T01:29:07Z")
Do you think denying a reality will work for very long? People aren’t stupid, Melisma. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/65 "2019-01-12T01:30:30Z")
No, I think you’re missing the point. Comically so, as illustrated by my emoji. ---
**Author:** ![Jason\_Galente](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jason_galente/32/383984_2.png) [@Jason\_Galente](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jason_Galente)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/66 "2019-01-12T01:31:17Z")
You said acknowledging facts about virology is ‘how racism starts’. Suggesting that we should obscure facts about genetic differences on issues such as virology. Which not only won’t work, but if that ideology of yours influences the science itself, it will get people killed. ---
**Author:** ![Garion\_Avarr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garion_avarr/32/415302_2.png) [@Garion\_Avarr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garion_Avarr)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/67 "2019-01-12T01:38:44Z")
While it is a fact that certain genetic populations are more predisposed or resistant to various different medical conditions, these days we can simply look at the genetics of individuals, rather than at what population they are part of, to determine risk factors and such, which allows for far more precision and accuracy. ---
**Author:** ![Jason\_Galente](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jason_galente/32/383984_2.png) [@Jason\_Galente](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jason_Galente)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/68 "2019-01-12T01:40:17Z")
This is true, but genetic heuristics save time and money in more economically distressed areas with poor medicine. I grew up in such an environment, so I know this. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/69 "2019-01-12T01:43:17Z")
The quote in question is this: > [@Chuyo](#): > > I’m not a racist, I’d never claim to be. But we do know that certain people are good at certain things. We know that certain people tend to get certain diseases at a higher rate. It’s not about virology; they only mention ‘diseases’ as an example. It’s about different peoples, different cultures and classes, having different capacities, and said peoples being revered or dismissed due to those capacities. This, as I say, is the root of racism. It’s what powers not only Amarrian ideas of the Reclaiming, but also in State classism an their all-important societal ladders, and to actually address this topic (because veering off-topic is only cute when talking about fashion), it’s what happens in Federation when discussing periods of “greatness.” As was more artfully said already, great for whom? Dividing people along these lines, whether on a scientific basis or otherwise, does far more harm than it does good, and embracing these ideas of race- or culture-based ability is the first step on the path of deciding that some folks are just _lesser_. > [@Garion\_Avarr](#): > > which allows for far more precision and accuracy As well as fewer racial implications. ---
**Author:** ![Garion\_Avarr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garion_avarr/32/415302_2.png) [@Garion\_Avarr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garion_Avarr)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/70 "2019-01-12T01:44:44Z")
> [@Jason\_Galente](#): > > This is true, but genetic heuristics save time and money in more economically distressed areas with poor medicine. Fair. ---
**Author:** ![Jason\_Galente](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jason_galente/32/383984_2.png) [@Jason\_Galente](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jason_Galente)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/71 "2019-01-12T01:45:11Z")
She never said that though, you’re inferring it. At least she never said any group is objectively superior and inferior, and thus should not necessarily revere or dismiss any group. It’s actually in the post you’re slandering. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/72 "2019-01-12T01:47:11Z")
She literally says “certain people are good at certain things.” It’s in the post you’re misreading. But hey, we all live in our own realities, right? Where words mean different things depending on what’s convenient? ---
**Author:** ![Jason\_Galente](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jason_galente/32/383984_2.png) [@Jason\_Galente](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jason_Galente)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/73 "2019-01-12T01:48:14Z")
> [@Chuyo](#): > > I’m not saying anyone is inferior or superior She also said this. But yeah I guess you really do live in your own little reality, where explicitly going out of your way to make sure nobody misinterprets your statement as supremacist, warrants being mislabeled as such anyway. Go witch hunt somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/74 "2019-01-12T01:51:23Z")
Hey man, you’re the one who started down this road. Saying “I’m not saying anyone is inferior or superior” right after saying that people are inferior and superior does not erase the context of the message. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/75 "2019-01-12T01:53:06Z")
Tall people are better at looming over others like a COLOSSUS. My comm unit capitalised that for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Jason\_Galente](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jason_galente/32/383984_2.png) [@Jason\_Galente](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jason_Galente)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/76 "2019-01-12T01:53:42Z")
No, I’m not the person who started this. And no, she said people were different, not that some people were better. You really need to get your head checked. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/77 "2019-01-12T01:55:53Z")
> [@Jason\_Galente](#): > > It’s also scientifically true. Denying reality isn’t a good way to ‘prevent racism’. There are other ways. Huh, would you look at that. An unsolicited reply with your name on it. Also, questioning intellectual ability is basically a way of saying “I’ve lost the thread of my debate but I can’t let myself admit it.” ---
**Author:** ![Jason\_Galente](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jason_galente/32/383984_2.png) [@Jason\_Galente](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jason_Galente)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/78 "2019-01-12T01:56:48Z")
This is a public forum, all replies are solicited. And this isn’t a debate, you’re not making points, you’re just slandering someone. They say “people are different”, you say “You’re a supremacist”. That’s not debate, that’s slander. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/79 "2019-01-12T01:58:41Z")
I think you misunderstand the difference between “solicited” and “allowed.” And you seem awfully offended by this “slander” that isn’t even directed at you. Seems personal. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-dares-to-be-great-again/131056/80 "2019-01-12T01:59:37Z")
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