# THE FEDERATION IS IN TURMOIL. TIME TO BRING THE BEAST DOWN! **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Tags:** caldari\ **Created:** [February 27, 2020, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-is-in-turmoil-time-to-bring-the-beast-down/222641 "2020-02-27T23:09:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-is-in-turmoil-time-to-bring-the-beast-down/222641/61 "2020-03-04T07:17:38Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > … fear. Not of me particularly; there’s more to it than that. I would actually recommend you give some thought to this. _Why_ exactly _do_ many Matari - myself included - perceive you as condescending and react strongly to it? Why _does_ it look like fear? Pro-tip: for a lot of clan-Matari, people are not just themselves. Individuals who exist in isolation, without affiliations, are not considered just unlucky people, they are considered lacking something essential that makes them people in the first place. “Following your own heart” is not good advice; it is unhealthy indulgence or even insanity. You don’t just _have_ associations, you _are_ your associations, they are what make you _you_. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-is-in-turmoil-time-to-bring-the-beast-down/222641/62 "2020-03-04T07:44:51Z")
> [@Agonarch](#): > > Strike Commander, it is very difficult to claim that much of the Warzone media created by any of the empires engaged in the Militia Wars will not be laden with propaganda, it is indeed meant to drive a particular discourse and viewpoint. Ask any NOH media specialist and they will tell you this, they are the ones who care the least about ire for voicing it. And how exactly is this related to the topic? ---
**Author:** ![Agonarch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agonarch/32/416830_2.png) [@Agonarch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agonarch)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-is-in-turmoil-time-to-bring-the-beast-down/222641/63 "2020-03-04T07:52:32Z")
considering thee ongoing discussions, Strike Commander. I would say it pertinent. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-is-in-turmoil-time-to-bring-the-beast-down/222641/64 "2020-03-04T07:56:16Z")
> [@Anna\_Stjornauga](#): > > you would have to demonstrate _ **I DON’T HAVE TO** _ Why? That’s simple. One who puts accusations, brings evidences. So, when a random clown on IGS brings random lie about me, I don’t really have to show it, I just have to show they’re the liars. And since it is my turn to speak about other person - I bring evidences in form of their quotes. Point 1: that it was said. Point 2: that it was a lie (and considering I know way more about myself, just my word about that will be enough). Moreover, it is a PUBLIC MEDIA. If you really want to dig evidences, be my guest at a tribunal session, for I will bring charges against you in public slander. ---
**Author:** ![Agonarch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agonarch/32/416830_2.png) [@Agonarch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agonarch)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 7:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-is-in-turmoil-time-to-bring-the-beast-down/222641/65 "2020-03-04T07:59:08Z")
Strike Commander, I do not believe that attempting to bring Ms. Stjornauga, nor any other capsuleer, to a tribunal will render any tangible result. ---
**Author:** ![Anna\_Stjornauga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anna_stjornauga/32/377304_2.png) [@Anna\_Stjornauga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anna_Stjornauga)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 8:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-is-in-turmoil-time-to-bring-the-beast-down/222641/66 "2020-03-04T08:11:29Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > Why? That’s simple. One who puts accusations, brings evidences. Well, because you’re the one making an accusation—that I’m lying. So: let’s see the evidence that I am _lying_, and not simply _wrong_. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-is-in-turmoil-time-to-bring-the-beast-down/222641/67 "2020-03-04T08:13:17Z")
I ALREADY did that earlier and not in the mood of repeating myself. For more - tribunal session. ---
**Author:** ![Anna\_Stjornauga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anna_stjornauga/32/377304_2.png) [@Anna\_Stjornauga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anna_Stjornauga)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-is-in-turmoil-time-to-bring-the-beast-down/222641/68 "2020-03-04T08:22:49Z")
You’ve not. And you know it. At most, you’ve asserted that you believe it to be untrue. An error is not a lie, and you know that, too. So, if you won’t at least acknowledge the possibility of error, I’m left with no choice but to challenge you to settle this as we did our last dispute. And, as you insist that those you challenge must come to you, you will of course once again hold yourself to the same standard of honor, and come to me. You remember where the Raitaru is, I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-is-in-turmoil-time-to-bring-the-beast-down/222641/69 "2020-03-04T08:35:45Z")
> [@Anna\_Stjornauga](#): > > You’ve not. And you know it. At most, you’ve asserted that you believe it to be untrue. An error is not a lie, and you know that, too. AND YOU DARE TO TELL ME WHAT I KNOW?! When an error is used to defame other person in _PUBLIC MEDIA_ without actually checking _YOURSELF_ first if it is true or not, using ignorance as excuse for personal attack, yes, it does make it a deliberate lie instead of just “error”. > [@Anna\_Stjornauga](#): > > So, if you won’t at least acknowledge the possibility of error, I’m left with no choice but to challenge you to settle this as we did our last dispute. And, as you insist that those you challenge must come to you, you will of course once again hold yourself to the same standard of honor, and come to me. You remember where the Raitaru is, I’m sure. Freaking accepted. I hope you will let me pick weapons in that case? Because this time I would like to use swords. No armor or other personal protection - one clown already tried to cheat me, using subdermal armor implants… And about Raitaru - I will need directions again. ---
**Author:** ![Agonarch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agonarch/32/416830_2.png) [@Agonarch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agonarch)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-is-in-turmoil-time-to-bring-the-beast-down/222641/70 "2020-03-04T08:41:21Z")
The more I see you call for Challenges Strike Commander, the less enthused I am about your claims of honor. It seems even the smallest slight is a slander in your eyes, and that… is dangerous. I will be submitting a report of concern for your mental fortitude to the State Protectorate command forces at my earliest opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![Saccade\_Amir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saccade_amir/32/303830_2.png) [@Saccade\_Amir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saccade_Amir)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 11:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-is-in-turmoil-time-to-bring-the-beast-down/222641/71 "2020-03-05T23:45:52Z")
fed died now we undead raharaaaaagh ---
**Author:** ![Pithatis\_Revolter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pithatis_revolter/32/189693_2.png) [@Pithatis\_Revolter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pithatis_Revolter)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-is-in-turmoil-time-to-bring-the-beast-down/222641/72 "2020-03-06T08:19:52Z")
Zombies? Someone with a heart would warn CONCORD. They don’t seem to care for the undead very much. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2020, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-federation-is-in-turmoil-time-to-bring-the-beast-down/222641/73 "2020-06-04T08:19:54Z")
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