# The fight for Not Red Don't Shoot (NRDS) Providence region continues! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** null-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [October 8, 2020, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194 "2020-10-08T21:18:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Excoecaria\_Agallocha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/excoecaria_agallocha/32/392188_2.png) [@Excoecaria\_Agallocha](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Excoecaria_Agallocha)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/163 "2021-01-07T14:06:14Z")
> [@Caldranna](#): > > If you don’t find brining Civilization to law-less regions of space valuable, then you’ve completely missed the point of NRDS. I see little difference between the current occupants of Providence and CVA in its current ROE posture. > [@Caldranna](#): > > KOS checker at this point isn’t relevant, although the old one can still be used to identify possible threats. Until CCP make the overview colorable by ACL, the KOS checker will still be needed when Providence is reclaimed right? Can’t keep running it on 2012 tech forever. > [@Caldranna](#): > > Personally, I’d much rather still have all the allies around, no matter their past or future mistakes. This is why Providence was lost, the refusal to learn from mistakes and hold people to account for their actions. > [@Caldranna](#): > > It’s just a game. > I was removed from a Sov holding alliance myself. > Oh wait, you were in Sanctury Pact. That’s the alliance I was kicked from, along with the Charybdis Vortex corporation who took me in. I was in Sanctuary Pact for a couple of months. My time in CVA was a lot longer, long enough to sit at the table to watch how the sausage was made. Thorn and I disagreed over a particular viewpoint, I said if he didn’t believe me I would walk, which I did. > [@Caldranna](#): > > For appalling kill/death ratio on the killboard. > You’re still salty :sadparrot: and I’m still happily shooting reds in Providence 😃 Say what? My K/D is 316:105, yours is 1,023:3,488 and I am almost twice as dangerous as you are. I am not in Providence. There is no point fighting for a territory for the same CVA leadership that ran it into the ground. > [@Caldranna](#): > > It’s just a game. People play to have fun. > A good deal of NRDS players are leeches. That’s a known fact. In every Civilization there are civilians. It was not neutrals leeching off the NRDS, it was the disgusting amount of alt corps run by people people in CVA leadership dodging billions of SRP and alliance taxes for years. > [@Caldranna](#): > > Besides, NRDS isn’t about holding space. Sov is just a side effect. A perk. Space can be gained and lost. Really? That was not what people in CVA said of those who splintered off to do NRDS elsewhere in Eve. They laughed when they failed. CVA just never got around the chicken and egg problem of needing supers to stay relevant in the Sovereignty game. > [@Caldranna](#): > > If your end-game is about things CCP wants you to do, then you’re lost and bound to get frustrated. CCP is not taking the game in a direction that I agree with. They certainly did no favours to CVA with a number of changes. Providence was pretty much a ghetto during blackout, in that MER bounties were down 600 billion. Oddly the most resent MER shows MESS/DBS has caused the same lackluster activity as blackout. > [@Caldranna](#): > > Space belonged to my alliance and so did the outpost. All of Providence belongs to CVA as its chose people, didn’t you know? Any flag other than CVA is either red, or simple a custodian of the system. That, and EQ knew CVA couldn’t afford to pay the 30 billion every month for IHUB and TCU fees without actually charging blues for access. > [@Caldranna](#): > > How acting civilized is a wet dream? Stalin. Power comes from the barrel of a gun. You have no power. > [@Caldranna](#): > > You’re still missing the point of NRDS. I don’t give a dime about the sov. > Providence is infested with reds, I go fight the pestilence. > Conditions have changed but NRDS is lots of fun in its current state as well. Then why do you even need to go to Providence when you can just do factional warfare for Amarr? > [@Caldranna](#): > > CVA got the titles for over 14 years of service deservedly so. I dare anyone to do better. Sorry, only the victors get to give themselves fancy titles. CVA squandered their position. The way CCP is heading with Eve, there won’t be many new organizations getting to the 14 year mark. > [@Caldranna](#): > > NRDS is not about claiming space or holding it at all costs. Of course not, if space was held at all costs CVA would have quit years before from all the dumb blue structures that we would have been expected to defend. > [@Caldranna](#): > > Space can be claimed if there is a sufficient number of players and the will to take it. Space is also easy to lose and fair-weather friends are very common in EVE. Its hard to believe CVA earned the space through force of arms at the start, after the invasion following Fozziesov, it was TEST who came and gave CVA the breathing room to get their flags back up. Hell, CVA and AAA got along so well because AAA knew we weren’t a threat to their territory. > [@Caldranna](#): > > Thus even if Provibloc had all the supercarriers you speak about, those 90% would crush it with the titans and make you believe that the failure was in not using the titans. It was not just the supers, it was that CVA haemorrhaged skilled players and their ships to other null groups constantly, so when non-super size battles occurred, there were fewer players to contest it. > [@Caldranna](#): > > I find that “garbage” very useful. For what? Not like there is much blue left in the game. > [@Caldranna](#): > > I did not join CVA because I did not meet their required kill / death ratio and because of the constant flow of accusations of brining content to Providence. It did not turn me salty though 😃 Really? There were corporations in CVA that just asked if you could hold a mouse and tell the difference between the F1 button and your genitals. > [@Caldranna](#): > > However, CVA allowed all neutral pilots in their space, regardless of their actual contribution. That’s what Civilization is about. Marking people red for being a civilian would not work in NRDS favor. Its not about making them red, its about people applying for corporations just to get standings for benefits, without giving anything in return, ever and weak corporation leadership never picking people up over it. > [@Caldranna](#): > > While looking for new friends and working towards having some of my good old friends rejoin the fight for NRDS in Providence, I’m glad that all the bored people you talk about got freed from their predicament. Especially if it was self-imposed. Some got freed, others like you are still pretending that the status quo was worth anything. > [@Caldranna](#): > > Again, mechanics are subject to change, as CCP has shown. NRDS principles remain the same. > If you focus on the end-game CCP wants you to play and combine it with NRDS, you’ll end up in despair when the turnout of events is disastrous. > If you follow the NRDS at its core, the game is still fun to play and retains its meaning. CCP have given NRDS very little love and CVA got the shaft so many times at the hands of CCP its just silly and sickening to see CCP hand out crap like RP titles and everyone in that crowd fawns over it like they didn’t just get poked in the eye with a slice of lemon. > [@Caldranna](#): > > Yes, I did that before. See how long you are willing to do that for your $15 a month before it gets old. > [@Caldranna](#): > > Be especially watchful for anti-NRDS propaganda guys. Many people hate NRDS and will do everything to sell you their lies about it. Its not lies, I was there, at the table, for years. > [@Caldranna](#): > > Following the NRDS rules is often hard enough, as you often have to get rid of guys you and your corpmates like, yet whose trigger happy nature prevents them from following the rules. > Imposing additional requirements on players that don’t have the drive to meet them will surely make them lose motivation or even make them turn hostile. See, this is the kind of attitude that results in an automatic fail for CVA entry, there are only a few hard core rules, but following them isn’t opt-in. > [@Caldranna](#): > > NRDS is not about treating your friends as slaves in order to prevent yourself from saltiness after an inevitable defeat when you’re fighting 90% of pvp oriented EVE. > It’s about brining Civilization to lawless regions of space with like minded players, which is something that no other group in EVE has the resolve to do. Tell that to the 2500 people that paid billions in SRP to fund the PvP of about 200 on a regular basis, though honestly, for years, a large portion of that all came out of passive moon ore that was harvested by about 12 people. > [@Caldranna](#): > > I have a super-NRDS drive. Good luck fighting that! Don’t need to fight. I’m retired. > [@Tequila\_Mix](#): > > Where? When? Along with whom? Is their any alliance gathering freedom fighters for the course? Looking at the map, nobody is doing anything and CVA has dropped below 750 members, most of whom are going to be alts. > [@Caldranna](#): > > You go to Providence and you shoot everything that shoots you. You don’t shoot guys who don’t shoot you. Everyone gets shot in Providence, its like the space version of Old Detroit. > [@Caldranna](#): > > You can always send me a mail or try to start a conversation in-game, though. > > And we are not freedom fighters. W bring Amarr Civilization to lawless regions of space Talking of bringing Amarr Civilization, has EQ set a date yet for the return? > [@Archbishop\_Abraxas](#): > > How did EQ kill NRDS? Apathy. > [@Gergoran\_Moussou](#): > > By treating allies badly over the years until one day, nobody else wanted to work with CVA. Well that and some people in CVA leadership did a bad job of setting expectations. Dangling Sovereignty in front of more than a few groups upset them when they didn’t get it, and one group left not knowing they were about to get it. > [@Archbishop\_Abraxas](#): > > How EQ treat allies badly? How were things different when it was Hardin/Aralis vs. EQ? Tell the story. Over promising and under delivering. Letting FC’s start fights with people we needed to be our friends. Never met Hardin, but Aralis lost control over his own corporation because he didn’t understand the share mechanics, so not really someone I thought should be in charge at the alliance level, lest we got 'The Judge’d by some director in his corporation. > [@Caldranna](#): > > There simply is no point in forming a one man NRDS alliance. Nor is there in supporting the current CVA regime. > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Well, isn’t that just too bad for the poor lads and lasses of TRC & Co. Nothing to do ? Should have left Provi what it always was, a hunting ground for the bored and unimaginative. Pretty much this. > [@Caldranna](#): > > Yes folk! I’m begging you. Stop wasting your time on mindlessly killing NPCs or asteroids and give yourselves an excuse to come and get blowned up istead, while having fun doing it! > > T1 frigates and destroyers are lots of fun to fly and really affordable. The only time I heard EQ get really mad is when someone complained about the cost of a doctrine Machariel and that’s why they always flew vigils, and EQ noticed that they were a corp CEO who’d been in Providence for 5 years and asked why they couldn’t afford a mach. “Because I spent it all on mining ships and building ships” > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Provi now has a positive export balance according to the latest MER 😉 It always did, so many blues just compressed and shipped their stuff out to Jita. > [@Tequila\_Mix](#): > > if you want to have what you declare, you need to conquer the sov, make structures free to dock, and incentivize alliance members interested in role playing to shoot bad guys, who shoot neutrals CVA did many of these things badly, especially incentivising membership of the alliance. > [@Caldranna](#): > > Better check your facts next time. Did you ever consider that you were the bad guys? > [@Aralis](#): > > What has free to dock got to do with NRDS? NRDS. Only shooting people that deserved it, as opposed to shooting because you could. Though, some in CVA insisted that NRDS meant people should be able to dock for free, back when stations had docking fees, so that their neutral alt corps didn’t have to pay. To this day I still believe after citadels NRDS should have been interpreted strictly, in that NRDS meant those who were not red did not get shot, and everyone who was not blue couldn’t dock, get cheap PI or buy all the stuff off the market and immediatley re list it, or worse, sell it off at Jita. > [@Aaron](#): > > NRDS to me means playing VERY VERY carefully around neutrals, the moment they make an aggressive move like follow you around the system or combat probes, them and their corp are set red by the whole community and fired upon thereafter. No. They had to break a few rules, obviously killing blues got you set red very fast. Slandering the Empress got you set red. Having anything in your BIO that said you were a pirate got you set red. That said, there were a number of people in CVA who left for red areas, only to come back with a red fleet, then leave the red and become blue again like a revolving door. > [@Aaron](#): > > Free dock only served to make NRDS more complex for provi in my opinion, perhaps it would have been better if people interested in provi just joined CVA and Provi was reserved only for alliance members. Allowing neutrals to dock meant red spies could easily log into a system and see who was in local, didn’t even need to cloaky camp. This was before Alpha too, so at least all those red spies paid for the privilege. The best and worst aspect was the stations, they were good in that they allowed very decent manufacturing/reprocessing, but bad in that you couldn’t kick people out once they got in there. Systems like S-25 were much more habitable before a station was put in there, after that, it became a horrid quagmire. > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Even if you get into a Provi Block Corporation you will more than likely be used a Kill Pad for CVA. I do not know of this being done when I was in CVA, but when there were ‘recommended’ amounts of kills to do each month, there was a toggle added to remove MTU’s and n00bships after people complained of ‘padding’ the numbers. > [@Gergoran\_Moussou](#): > > This was true, but since CVA left the region after internal drama tore the coalition apart, the new management does things differently. They were arrogant and living in the past. They brought failure upon themselves. > [@Bao\_Ling\_Kazumaki](#): > > I stand with CVA! I support CVA, just not under the current leadership. > [@Murkar\_Omaristos](#): > > The blue donut killed provi by not wanting to fight each other. Provibloc became a punching bag because those other groups chose safety in numbers and consolidated under one roof. With no other groups left to fight, they would sit on provi’s head daily because it was convenient content. Yep, and people left because it was suffocating the residents. > [@Twilight\_Winter](#): > > I wrote a piece calling for all NRDS pilots to unite under the Red Alert banner. Our fissures are the biggest obstacle to achieving the dream. Yes, I read it. Was not impressed. > [@Twilight\_Winter](#): > > Until we unite, I wish all those waging campaigns against the illegal occupants of our home the best of luck. There was nothing stopping Red Alert from dropping out and joining CVA but pride. > [@Roland\_Schlosser](#): > > The community at large has grown tired of CVA & Co in Provi. > > Never shall they rise again. They certainly lack the relevance they used to. > [@Twilight\_Winter](#): > > Those who dislike CVA at least could always shoot them. If only there wasn’t a blue doughnut, maybe they could shoot each other for a change. > [@Caldranna](#): > > I think what really killed Providence is Amarr Loyalists lack of will to fight for Providence. > Constant whinging about how bad CCP is or how unskilled they and their characters are and how their ships are not good enough to even consider fighting. The Amarr factional warfare crowd were never in a position to support Providence, they were always too far away to be of use. People did not invest in their characters and yes, some always complained about the doctrine needing too many SP or too costly. > [@Caldranna](#): > > Her Imperial Majesty Catiz I our beloved Empress recognized CVA’s efforts in Providence. Hope the Empress doesn’t ask for a refund. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 1:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/164 "2021-01-08T01:59:29Z")
> [@Excoecaria\_Agallocha](#): > > It always did, so many blues just compressed and shipped their stuff out to Jita I posted that with some irony after the Sep '20 MER was released (+2.99 T). I did dive into the MER’s I could find in the devblogs (Feb '16 to Nov '20 - with Jan '18 missing/corrupted including the zip download), out of curiosity because my recollection was different. In summary: 2016 (_Feb - Dec_) only 1 month net positive export (Dec), 10 negative (5 strongly) 2017 (_complete_), 2 of 12 net negative (1 strongly), 10 of 12 positive (9 strongly) - best year in the available data 2018 (_Jan missing_) 7 negative, 4 positive (one possibly having to do with an evac cos of Pandemic Legion invasion starting in Jan) 2019 (_complete_) 9 negative, 3 positive 2020 (_Dec not published yet_) 7 negative, 4 positive (one possibly for evac) Would like to get my hands on older data (pre-Feb 2016). Is that available anywhere ? ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Ramen\_REDUX](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bill_ramen_redux/32/252319_2.png) [@Bill\_Ramen\_REDUX](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bill_Ramen_REDUX)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/165 "2021-01-10T07:33:30Z")
So as of this moment, are there any parts of Providence that are NRDS, and if so, where? ---
**Author:** ![Ocean\_Ormand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ocean_ormand/32/206896_2.png) [@Ocean\_Ormand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ocean_Ormand)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/166 "2021-01-10T12:39:10Z")
Mostly Arton to r3 and 18- ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 2:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/167 "2021-01-11T02:09:24Z")
No part of Providence is now, nor ever has been, NRDS. Some of the players in Providence are NRDS. SOME. ---
**Author:** ![Jake\_Maverick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jake_maverick/32/252104_2.png) [@Jake\_Maverick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jake_Maverick)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/168 "2021-01-20T14:07:36Z")
the primary difference, is the implicit trust granted to neutrals under the NRDS policy, to behave and not go knocking over any one elses sand castles, with the consequence of violating that trust being a red tag. Now the thing is, having a red tag in NRDS space is probably MORE dangerous than having no tag in NBSI space, because in NRDS land folks are so hungry for something to shoot that they will chase every little thing with intent to kill, if it shows up red. where as in the rest of null you are just as likely to have a friendly chat with the inhabitants, about where you might go to find a “gud fight” as to be shot on site. Part of this may be due to starvation for “content” artificially imposed by the NRDS policy, some of it may be RP defending of ones ideals but as one who has played in provi in the bad old days, and played with test and played with goons, and is presently back to being a filthy carebear for a while to build isk… this is my view of the duality of these policies. ---
**Author:** ![Caldranna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caldranna/32/244325_2.png) [@Caldranna](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caldranna)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/169 "2021-02-03T18:00:27Z")
Exactly. That’s a great point. Providence is not NRDS. The players make it NRDS. When they have enough determination and motivation. ---
**Author:** ![galdar\_Chelien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galdar_chelien/32/437270_2.png) [@galdar\_Chelien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/galdar_Chelien)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/170 "2021-02-12T21:45:25Z")
going to take u up on your offer to get a hold of you in game … NRDS sounds very much like a playstyle I can relate to both in-game and outside as well … peace ---
**Author:** ![Roland\_Schlosser](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/roland_schlosser/32/392001_2.png) [@Roland\_Schlosser](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Roland_Schlosser)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/171 "2021-02-12T23:14:55Z")
Filthy neutrals, at least you know where you stand with reds. Death to neutrals! ---
**Author:** ![Amra\_Ni-Yesta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amra_ni-yesta/32/420140_2.png) [@Amra\_Ni-Yesta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amra_Ni-Yesta)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/172 "2021-02-13T15:24:33Z")
This is terribly sad, Providence and NRDS gameplay was something ever eve player have heard, it was, for the beginners, almost the only way to have an introduction to null sec and be indipendant. I got countless stories from players who went to cva space in providence to avoid wars in high sec… It was also a dream for hunters to hunt there and to have funny content. So I definitly don’t understand why you remooved a gameplay and also a part of Eve history… Really I don’t understand. This Nrds was created by players and added something to this game. How many null sec space solar systems are claimed by big blocks and completly empty and not lived ? ---
**Author:** ![Caldranna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caldranna/32/244325_2.png) [@Caldranna](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caldranna)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/173 "2021-02-13T23:57:53Z")
Well, the answer is pretty simple. Players don’t want it and don’t need it. I’ve been approached by many players interested in it, who would show their support by ratting and exploring safely in Providence. When they hear they will have to fight for a safe Providence they lose their interest altogheter 🙂 That’s why there is no NRDS Providence. And it wasn’t destroyed. CVA, APOC and -7- just packed and left it. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/174 "2021-02-14T18:16:36Z")
> [@Caldranna](#): > > [NRDS Providence] wasn’t destroyed. CVA, APOC and -7- just packed and left it. Of course it was destroyed. When other groups continually invade the space, harrass the inhabitants, degrade the Holder’s ability to defend it, wage a relentless propoganda campaign to denigrate the status of the inhabitants and the Holder’s of the space . . . what do you call that if not “destroying it”? If someone went and beat up your dad or your roommate or whoever you live with, stole your car out of your garage, lit your kitchen on fire, told all your neighbors you’re an \*\*\*\*\*\*\*, etc., would that not be “destroying” your household and home? If you think it wasn’t destroyed, you are either ignorant or a liar. (I suppose you could be an ignorant liar . . .) ---
**Author:** ![Caldranna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caldranna/32/244325_2.png) [@Caldranna](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caldranna)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/175 "2021-02-20T20:17:00Z")
Dude, you’re comparing a coalition of Capsuleers to a household. Armies fight to defend their territory. CVA and others packed their things and left. Period. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/176 "2021-02-20T20:29:30Z")
This is why the good guys can never win, their idea of winning is peace. WTH do we need with peace? 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/177 "2021-02-20T22:42:24Z")
You heard it, running away isnt losing. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2021, 1:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/178 "2021-02-21T01:39:18Z")
Wez never lose a battle, if we win we win, if we die we die fightin’ so it don’t count. If we runs for it we don’t die either, cos we come back for annuva go, see! ---
**Author:** ![Caldranna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caldranna/32/244325_2.png) [@Caldranna](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caldranna)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2021, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/179 "2021-02-21T15:58:58Z")
Nah, you’re right. I’m just an asshole. CVA, APOC and -7- did a great job over the years. I couldn’t do better. I apologize. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2021, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/180 "2021-02-21T21:49:04Z")
Dude, you’re comparing a [thing] with [not thing]. I know, right? Analogies and metaphors and symbolic thinking and reasoning are so dumb. Next I’m going to try to tell you that x = 4 and so x+10 = 14 or x\*x = 16. Abstraction is for noobz. I have seen the light. Thank you. From now on, the only thing I will compare to 4 is 4. 😟 ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/181 "2021-02-24T13:19:57Z")
CVA screwed up when their members started forcibly making other members take a knee to their cult mentality. Either bend your knee to CVA or they toss you out. Bend your knee and CVA will own everything that you have. I was in a Provi Bloc corporation for several months. Everything started out fine. Then the attacks started, members label others as spies and what have you. The next thing you know, you are being told to leave the corporation and get your personal items out, all while the same CVA corporations that you were once allies with are attacking your transports on the way out. CVA is a pirate corporation and cannot be trusted. ---
**Author:** ![Caldranna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caldranna/32/244325_2.png) [@Caldranna](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caldranna)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2021, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194/183 "2021-03-07T16:19:34Z")
Well CVA does not own the idea of NRDS in Providence. You can be part of NRDS Providence without being part of CVA or any other alliance. Come to Providence, don’t shoot neutrals. Shoot those who shoot you. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-fight-for-not-red-dont-shoot-nrds-providence-region-continues/272194.md?page=10)