# The Future of Eve, and why hasn't there been anything new in 10 years? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 7, 2023, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476 "2023-06-07T18:41:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/61 "2023-06-08T18:54:33Z")
I see what you mean. Thanks! I can see the comparison of Elite vs EVE (Yes, I do have Elite Dangerous to go and compare). Makes me want to cry when I see that horrid picture. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/62 "2023-06-08T19:20:31Z")
> [@Orion\_Rex](#): > > High-Security: All major locations in High-Security(Stations, Belts, Planets, Moons, etc.), should have constant patrols in security status 0.8-1.0, slightly less patrols in 0.5.-0.7, and very few patrols in 0.1-0.4. The only patrols in Nullsec should be in those systems where pirates operate, and should not work the same as High-Security patrols, only attacking those with low standing. If a player locks on to another player, they should then be targeted by the local patrol, with the local patrol asking for reinforcements should it be required. Second, players with negative overall standing should, -10 to -1.0, should not be welcome in Secutity status 0.7+, as in attacked on sight, maybe a scaling system like -10 can’t be in any High-Security, and like, -1.0 can go anywhere but 1.0 systems. If you want the benefits of society, you should have to be a good citizen. haha so salty ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/63 "2023-06-08T19:26:36Z")
> [@Orion\_Rex](#): > > When I wanna PvP I wanna PvP, when I wanna bot out, get high, and do a ton of mining, I wanna do just that. I think you got high as a kite before posting this… You do you, but sometimes you just need to start deleting drunk posts the next morning… –Gadget never drinks and texts… she prefers to drive ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/64 "2023-06-08T23:48:34Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > My point is that your assumptions are as baseless as mine are in that regard, I kinda expected that to go right over your head. Obviously you must be guilty of doing it, otherwise you wouldn’t have posted your snide troll remark towards me. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/65 "2023-06-09T02:23:44Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Obviously you must be guilty of doing it Obviously you must be guilty of it since you brought it up it in the first place (and very often do) since people who cry the loudest generally are perpetrators themselves, because from their perspective it’s expected. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 8:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/66 "2023-06-09T08:03:50Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > since you brought it up it in the first place Just a re-statement of what others have admitted to doing. But thank you very much for confirming you’re an alt poster… ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/67 "2023-06-09T09:36:45Z")
Yes… this is an alt, very obviously so. I do hope no one is surprised by that? I mean I even stated it in multiple occasions. Your point however was about people using multiple alts to “create an echo chamber”, which is something entirely different. Looking at your character just screams “alt”, not been in any corp and no real activity. According to your own logic (and I use that word quite optimistically) you yourself are an alt used to create an echo chamber. Are people trolling with alts, sure seems like it but it’s far more “PvP sucks” and “ganking is terrible” trolls (looking at you DC and akio) than the other way round. THOSE pop up all the time made by randoms, but it’s mostly the same people reacting to them. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/68 "2023-06-09T09:43:34Z")
The real question is „where did OP go“ and did he stick around to play Eve Online. If not, I guess the people who play Eve Online really do want mixed PvP and PvE in their sandbox. We can now proceed the conversation to the next stage. Just according to Keikaku. See you all in another month. Same place, same subject. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/69 "2023-06-09T10:01:57Z")
He stopped posting the second he finally realised that the core concept of EVE is competition and, thus, pvp. Not “spaceships in space” as so many people (want to) believe. ---
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/70 "2023-06-09T10:35:43Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > People need to stop trying to convince themselves that MMOs are the best gameplay out there because more or less their core gameplay has been the same since day 1. OP and others are looking in the wrong market for their videogames They sure are. I didn’t like to play MMOs for the longest time, I wasn’t used to multiplayer mechanics and the idea that another player could slay my character in less than 30sec… WHO invited him?!? Oh yes, it’s multiplayer 😅 I tried quite a few MMOs before I decided to download EVE. Many were boring or just not my style. Now I only have two MMOs in my Steam library: EVE Online and Hell Let Loose. Both unforgiving and hard ( for me ) but both everything I like in a game. Players who complain about PvP should really ask themselves if they want to play a game which getting slayed, shot or exploded is a core part of. I did ask myself that. But I was also tired of playing single-player games ( except for M&B ) and figured my person was perfectly safe from PvP in my chair, only my character would be slayed/shot/blown up. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/71 "2023-06-09T13:27:20Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > **None of these MMOs are on the bleeding edge of content**. Single-player games are! **(Falling Frontier, Homeworld 3, Starfield, Stellaris, and a few more)** People need to stop trying to convince themselves that MMOs are the best gameplay out there because more or less their core gameplay has been the same since day 1. OP and others are looking in the wrong market for their videogames. All single player games get boring if you play them long enough. Indeed it is arguable that the entire range of Bethesda games such as Fallout and Elder Scrolls are really just variants of the same game. Fallout is just Elder Scrolls in a nuclear wasteland…in terms of functionality. Attempts to add more content, spice up the graphics, etc, don’t necessarily work. I bought the recent Black Mesa, an updated version of Half Life…and constantly found myself preferring the original 1998 version. I found the same with Far Cry. The original version is still the best. Even with Elder Scrolls, I think some elements of Oblivion are way better than Skyrim. I hate the dumbed down and rather limited spells selection in Skyrim. So this ‘bleeding edge’ isn’t really producing any massively new content. The graphics may be better, but many newer games seem to have lost the ‘atmosphere’ of older ones. The reason the originals of Half Life, Far Cry, and many other games are all _better_ than later iterations is because developers seem to think that more eye candy makes a better game and have completely forgotten that the thing players really want is that atmosphere and sense of real immersion. I eagerly await Starfield…but I already sense its just going to be Skyrim in space. ---
**Author:** ![Argel\_OTF2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/argel_otf2/32/388676_2.png) [@Argel\_OTF2](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Argel_OTF2)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/72 "2023-06-09T13:51:14Z")
Unfortunately you are wasting your time. Any attempt to offer constructive feedback or point out the frankly very obvious flaws in the game mechanics is met with resistance. Even worse, how dare anyone share your view, or add their own, or that just means you’re now botting on the forums. I agree with more or less everything you said in the OP, albeit I would probably have different solutions. The core diagnosis is correct though, people have less time on their hands generally and more options. Forcing people to be griefed or making it harder to enjoy a game just to adhere to some misguided principles.Most importantly, as you say, all of this would be a bit more tolerable if anything decent was happening development-wise, but like you, I have been shocked at what I saw when I came back from a break. Really poor and clearly a game just treading water. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/73 "2023-06-09T14:01:38Z")
> [@Argel\_OTF2](#): > > I have been shocked at what I saw when I came back from a break. Really poor and clearly a game just treading water. Came back ? Your killboard has zero activity in the past 2 years, and even that was just 3 months of killing other Asteros all in the exact same nullsec system. This is precisely why people should post on their main, as we otherwise have no way of knowing what _experience_ formulates their opinion. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/74 "2023-06-09T14:10:21Z")
> [@Orion\_Rex](#): > > My biggest issue with pvp, is when I can’t separate it and have zero choice in WHEN that pvp happens. It makes for a bad experience, and a large amount of players want nothing to do with it. So CCP, you’re gonna have to change some gameplay mechanics, but don’t worry I didn’t come empty-handed. I know this is a little late, and it seems like the OP will not be back, but just in case any new people read this, this part is not true. If you are mining, and don’t want to fight, just run away. It really is that simple. Watch local for suspicious people and use d-scan to look for the fleets incoming. This will keep you safe 99% of the time. Just fly out when you see them coming. The only problem is it is hard to multibox three or more pilots and watch a movie with your spouse while doing this. If you get caught on grid in high sec, you were not paying enough attention. New bros just need to learn to watch local and d-scan for incoming threats and they will be safe 99% of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/75 "2023-06-09T14:14:42Z")
EVE wouldnt be EVE without the mixture of pvp/pve. I think a different version of eve, similar to STO would be fun and unique, but not at the expense of changing the EVE we currently have. Could CCP “fix” eve, sure, but we dont know what is going on in their fried minds ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/76 "2023-06-09T14:30:17Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Your killboard has zero activity in the past 2 years, and even that was just 3 months of killing other Asteros all in the exact same nullsec system. > > This is precisely why people should post on their main, as we otherwise have no way of knowing what _experience_ formulates their opinion. You and a few others keep posting this nonsense, but it _remains_ nonsense no matter how many times you repeat “the big lie”. EVE is a sandbox and the forum is equally free-form. People can post whatever they want from whatever account they want, within the rules. EVE is essentially a giant economy and space travel game with a smaller focus on PvP. PvP is a **minority activity** within EVE, making up less than 20% of all activity. The spineless “high-sec PvP” variant you engage in is a fraction of that fraction. Basically it’s only there to amuse the folks who enjoy punching down on targets that effectively can’t fight back. That’s a valid playstyle in EVE, as a sandbox, but it’s _hardly_ the be-all and end-all measuring stick of whether someone is “experiencing” EVE or not. “ **Your posts aren’t valid without a killboard** ” and/or “only a killboard can be a valid main” are the weasel-words for dogmatic censorship. It’s admitting you’re too feeble to think on your own, so you can only accept opinions from those who already agree with you or at least work from a similar mindset. EVE is a sandbox, with a variety of valid playstyles. And the EVE forums represent a variety of opinions. From _all_ playstyles. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/77 "2023-06-09T14:30:32Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > If you are mining, and don’t want to fight, just run away. It really is that simple. > > Watch local for suspicious people and use d-scan to look for the fleets incoming. This will keep you safe 99% of the time. Just fly out when you see them coming. The only problem is it is hard to multibox three or more pilots and watch a movie with your spouse while doing this. The other thing is that there are _huge_ asteroid belts such as those in 0.6 system Azerakish…700km across…where anyone randomly warping in is going to be several hundred km away and the system is largely empty most of the time anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/78 "2023-06-09T14:32:13Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > You and a few others keep posting this nonsense, but it _remains_ nonsense no matter how many times you repeat “the big lie”. Well of course someone who has ONE killboard record 6 years ago is going to think it’s nonsense ! I’m not interested in the opinion of anyone who’s killboard indicates they have seldom, if ever, actually undocked. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/79 "2023-06-09T14:35:05Z")
> [@Argel\_OTF2](#): > > Any attempt to offer constructive feedback or point out the frankly very obvious flaws in the game mechanics is met with resistance. When someone points out a flaw in the criticism, and the OP responds with insults - that’s not very constructive is it? EvE has plenty of flaws. It also has plenty of things it does right to fill its niche. As has been repeated above, many of the ‘solutions’ offered have been discussed before, and the unintended (or maybe intended…) consequenses of these ‘solutions’ have also been discovered and discussed. By all means offer ideas, criticism, and comment, but players returning from a 10 year hiatus _really_ should catch up on what’s happened and **WHY** since they cloaked up. Or at the very least learn how to argue well and not fall into insults… –Gadget welcomes useful discorse ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/80 "2023-06-09T14:36:09Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > system is largely empty most of the time anyway. @Altara_Zemara makes a good point I forgot. If you are frequently running from gankalious looking people, moving away from trade hubs and crowed systems to systems that are mostly empty will allow you to relax and watch Net flicks more while you mine. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476.md?page=5)