# The Future of Eve, and why hasn't there been anything new in 10 years? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 7, 2023, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476 "2023-06-07T18:41:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/141 "2023-06-16T19:13:10Z")
> [@C-Kat](#): > > Oh damn man, I apologize. > I just checked. > To be fully trained in capital carrier, I do not need “2 years”( I am so dumb and stupid, sorry)… > In actuality all I need is, and I quote-\> 1263 days and 23 hours. I mean not all ships need V skills to be useful. Unless you want that last drop of efficiency. Just took a look at the skills required and I have everything trained accept those critical V skills needed to literally sit in the ship. (123 days est for lancer dreads.) > [@C-Kat](#): > > That is THREE AND A HALF YEARS!!! To be honest as I put on the years in EVE I got like 76mil SP in subcaps and I just recently finished all V fleet command skills (except mining). I don’t even pay attention to my skills. 🤷 You know there are so many packs selling 1mil sp? Oh can’t froget about $$$----plex---- LSI route also! YES! No doubt starting out in EVE is a pretty long time. For most capital users already it’s not that big of a train. All games have a grind aspect that makes something “worthwhile.” _ **If something is easy everyone would have it and it would mean nothing. If something is hard only a few have it and that has value when it is hard to get.** _ I really get that vibe you don’t like grinding in games. You are going to be disappointed in pretty much every MMO/multiplayer game in all of existence. ---
**Author:** ![C-Kat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/c-kat/32/374268_2.png) [@C-Kat](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/C-Kat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/142 "2023-06-16T20:24:18Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > I really get that vibe you don’t like grinding in games. You are going to be disappointed in pretty much every MMO/multiplayer game in all of existence. No, that is not it. what I do not like is to be a cash cow. You mentioned plex and packs- that is what sheep do. You want to tell me that I have to pay MORE then 20 euros per month for a VIDEO GAME? How about no? Fortnite- free. wot- 80 euros per year. OR free, but you wont be playing high tier games(which are boring anyway). Scum- one time 40 euros Factorio- one time 25 euros Assetto Corsa- one time payment of 10 euros+ Eve online- 240 euros per year Also, eve online is the only game that you have to work to play. Also, the thing with saying "I do not even think about my SP " is that not a single high SP player do. But what they do not think about is the money they sinked in to get there. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/143 "2023-06-16T21:52:02Z")
> [@C-Kat](#): > > You mentioned plex and packs- that is what sheep do. > You want to tell me that I have to pay MORE then 20 euros per month for a VIDEO GAME? Oh I am not going to discuss price here it has been discused in the offical CCP thread on it. [[Discussion] PLEX and Omega price changes feedback thread - EVE Information Portal / Dev Blogs - EVE Online Forums](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882) **I make my stance very clear on this topic.** Games gotta keep the lights on somehow. Severs dont run on good vibes. > [@C-Kat](#): > > You mentioned plex and packs- that is what sheep do. Sheep? Some of the richest players in New Eden are expert traders/builders. Anyone can make trillions with dedication, skill, and the right network of people. The richest of the rich are plexed **YEARS** over because they know how to make ISK. + billions for that bling 🕶 **Don’t overthink on how to plex.** I don’t think those people and some I know personally are sheep when they have years of omega time stacked up through just playing the game. Please describe to me who is a sheep because we all play with pixel spaceships here lol. ---
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/144 "2023-06-16T23:18:27Z")
> [@C-Kat](#): > > Those are not 30k of players but rather 30k of accounts 30k characters, each had to buy skill books and have to buy from market like everybody so 30k is still 30k. > [@C-Kat](#): > > Can you people, please, stop being such fanbois? Can you please stop being such a downer? If you’re not happy with the game, no one forces you, do us all a favor and biomass😃 ---
**Author:** ![Elukka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elukka/32/418707_2.png) [@Elukka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elukka)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/145 "2023-06-17T00:55:38Z")
“EVE is dying” and “everyone will quit if highsec isn’t made safer” are truly evergreen subjects. I first played EVE 17 years ago, which is wild to think about, and you better believe people were saying these things back then too As for why there aren’t a ton of groundbreaking new features, well, EVE likely makes decent money, but it doesn’t make that kind of money. And as for why player numbers are going down, every game’s player numbers go down as it ages. What EVE has is an exceedingly long tail, and it’ll probably last a good while yet. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/146 "2023-06-17T01:08:44Z")
> [@Elukka](#): > > As for why there aren’t a ton of groundbreaking new features, well, EVE likely makes decent money, but it doesn’t make that kind of money. CCP’s financial results are published regularly: > **[Pearl Abyss Q1 2023: Black Desert and EVE Online revenues continue to decline...](https://massivelyop.com/2023/05/11/pearl-abyss-q1-2023-black-desert-and-eve-online-revenues-continue-to-decline/)** CCP has been making roughly $60 million per year regularly. As a comparison, Cryptic Studios with a roughly similar budget (their numbers aren’t published quite so clearly) and about half the staff of CCP, manages _three_ games, and updates two of them regularly and to a significantly greater degree than EVE. CCP’s issues updating EVE aren’t about budget. It’s about CCP being tired, complacent and incapable. But because they have a small core of very heavy spenders in the playerbase, they can get away with churning out little more than hype and promises for years. If they had any competition at all they’d have gone under years ago, but the market they target is too niche for anyone else to bother contesting it. ---
**Author:** ![Blacklight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blacklight/32/375395_2.png) [@Blacklight](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Blacklight)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 1:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/147 "2023-06-17T01:16:10Z")
> [@Elukka](#): > > “EVE is dying” and “everyone will quit if highsec isn’t made safer” are truly evergreen subjects. I first played EVE 17 years ago, which is wild to think about, and you better believe people were saying these things back then too We had this nonsense in the first year, these threads and posts have been here since literally the beginning. MMO forums are pretty much all the same, and also always have been. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 2:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/148 "2023-06-17T02:14:51Z")
I frown at the “(Insert game here) is dying” crowd. Such silly silly thinking. Let me know when servers shut down. Awaiting competitor game to EVE online. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 4:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/149 "2023-06-17T04:19:03Z")
Yes I like to watch when my Orcas go Boom! ---
**Author:** ![C-Kat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/c-kat/32/374268_2.png) [@C-Kat](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/C-Kat)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 6:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/150 "2023-06-17T06:27:25Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Sheep? Some of the richest players in New Eden are expert traders/builders. Sorry- are you trolling? Do you not know the difference between buying plex and “plexing the account”? we are talking herte about buying plex for real money- and that is what sheep do. which is OK, completely. If you want to burn your money and/or have no time to plex the account go for it. > [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > I don’t think those people and some I know personally are sheep when they have years of omega time stacked up through just playing the game. > > Please describe to me who is a sheep because we all play with pixel spaceships here lol. Again- NOT what we are talking about here. If you have to PAY more then 20 euros for a game each month- that is a “sheep mechanic”. It is your choice and you are free to do whatever you want- but it is a “sheep mechanic”, “cash cow” or “whale fishing”. Choose your name yourself. ---
**Author:** ![C-Kat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/c-kat/32/374268_2.png) [@C-Kat](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/C-Kat)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 6:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/151 "2023-06-17T06:28:11Z")
> [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > do us all a favor and biomass😃 I am sorry your mother do not love you. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 6:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/152 "2023-06-17T06:33:03Z")
> [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > If you’re not happy with the game, no one forces you, do us all a favor and biomass😃 Just ignore the troll, they’re about to post 4 times in a row again. ---
**Author:** ![C-Kat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/c-kat/32/374268_2.png) [@C-Kat](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/C-Kat)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 6:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/153 "2023-06-17T06:37:59Z")
> [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > 30k characters, each had to buy skill books and have to buy from market like everybody so 30k is still 30k. No, they really do not make any kind of change. I just yesterday watched chinese player doing mining with 79 accounts!!! one Rorq and all other mackingaw( or whatever the name is for those huge mining ships). The guy made himself program to control every single one of them simultaneously. Now, how exactly that helps anyone? He mine in one second what normal player mine in a week. He is producing in one day what you did not produce in a year. His accounts do not “buy from market”, you cant kill him( he is in a corp that owns that space, pvp guys are a jump away( he said that)), he does not sell ore- he makes things for his corp. So, elitism and privilege. That is not good gameplay. That is not something that eve can grow on. So yeah- dead game indeed. Dead by terms of stagnation and it will actually die after current game users die off/move on in real world. ---
**Author:** ![C-Kat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/c-kat/32/374268_2.png) [@C-Kat](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/C-Kat)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 6:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/154 "2023-06-17T06:41:41Z")
Troll? No. But you keep on being person with nothing to contribute to conversation. I see that you have huge amount of time spent here on forum. Most of it is arguing with people talking about problems this game has. Also, this truly must be the dumbest thing anyone can say on forum: > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > about to post 4 times in a row again what should I do? wait for people to respond so that I can post again to answer someone else? Are you really that “special”? Also- it is not “they” it is he, you uneducated tool. where did you go to school? ---
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/156 "2023-06-17T08:40:32Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Just ignore the troll, they’re about to post 4 times in a row again I just blocked the troll. Sorry for feeding the troll 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/159 "2023-06-17T09:56:20Z")
> [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > I just blocked the troll. > Sorry for feeding the troll 😄 No apologies needed, it just happens. Back on topic, I found it interesting to learn that a great many null sec folks are doing these new high sec „opportunities“ sites because of the decent ISK/hr. I guess effectively this is „new PvE“ content despite it supposed to be a way for newbies and experienced players to bridge gaps and play together. Kind of makes it obvious that player driven meta is what makes or breaks the „how to get newbies to fleet up“ experience. These opportunities are just a canvas / background, and it would be interesting to know how frequently that goal is actually being solved by these sites. ---
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/160 "2023-06-17T11:47:16Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Back on topic, I found it interesting to learn that a great many null sec folks are doing these new high sec „opportunities“ sites because of the decent ISK/hr. I guess effectively this is „new PvE“ content despite it supposed to be a way for newbies and experienced players to bridge gaps and play together Where’s there’s meat there the vultures congregate. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Kind of makes it obvious that player driven meta is what makes or breaks the „how to get newbies to fleet up“ experience. There’s a Corporation chat for those of us who want to connect and fleet up, the thing is that a lot of time must be devoted to character improvements for the first few months and after missions for LP/SP/isk/Standing and Ratting/Salvaging/Exploring to scrounge enough to have a decently-fitted Destroyer/Cruiser to fleet with there isn’t much time left for socializing. At least that’s my experience so far. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > These opportunities are just a canvas / background, and it would be interesting to know how frequently that goal is actually being solved by these sites I hope it helps but I haven’t explored much of it. I took a look but I had to stage between 0.4 and 0.1 systems on a 5-jump route and am still not done. Don’t know when I’ll try it. I’m less and less interested in PvE, that’s part of the reason why I moved to Lowsec, more challenging PvE and surely a few PvP surprises. I’m still exploring everything. Next on the agenda is scouting my new constellation and the surrounding ones, Wormholes and the use of filaments. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/161 "2023-06-17T13:44:03Z")
> [@C-Kat](#): > > This game is not dying- it is dead. Maybe that’s thanks to people who have been in Eve over a year yet have zero killboard. No indication that they have ever even undocked. You wouldn’t happen to know any such people ? ---
**Author:** ![C-Kat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/c-kat/32/374268_2.png) [@C-Kat](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/C-Kat)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/162 "2023-06-17T16:57:55Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Maybe that’s thanks to people who have been in Eve over a year yet have zero killboard. No indication that they have ever even undocked. You wouldn’t happen to know any such people ? You thinking that this game is only about PVP? Maybe learn something else then just mindlessly waiting for hours on end just to press a button? ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476/163 "2023-06-17T21:09:49Z")
> [@C-Kat](#): > > Sorry- are you trolling? Nope! I really did not know. My angle is levelheaded analysis on the threads people start. 😉 > [@C-Kat](#): > > Do you not know the difference between buying plex and “plexing the account”? > we are talking herte about buying plex for real money- and that is what sheep do. Well alright then I didn’t know that! I knew a few credit card warriors myself. Many retired people spend their checks all on plex. I know many “rich” people in EVE who lack basic fitting skills and somehow, they are worth 100bil + and have alot of SP 😆 > [@C-Kat](#): > > If you have to PAY more then 20 euros for a game each month- that is a “sheep mechanic”. Of course! I plex my account through my various ways and have a nice chunk of ISK for fancy stuff. Since I am 1 account I don’t make bank like my boxer friends but we all have a wonderful time here in EVE Online 🙂 Thanks for explaining that to me, didn’t know what you meant a sheep in EVE was. Oh, One other thing. **Don’t get emotionally attached to a videogame.** I find a lot of people do and they get sad at the “state” of the game and then lash out at others expecting to have the same emotional attachment to the game and agree. **But when you don’t really care if EVE Online was shut down the next day it really leaves a lot of room to enjoy the game.** [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-future-of-eve-and-why-hasnt-there-been-anything-new-in-10-years/408476.md?page=9)