# The gate to Sivala **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [February 27, 2022, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466 "2022-02-27T08:18:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/342 "2022-03-06T11:02:45Z")
It was probably the last of your dignity escaping the remains of your credibility. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/343 "2022-03-06T11:19:33Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > And you constantly referring to the challenge and your excuses ………. It’s a mental framing/selective retention issue. Declining a heavily-compensated challenge from someone (in a consensually-competitive environment) after making bold claims about himself is pretty shameful behavior, so his subconscious had to frame this as something “beneath him” in order to enable him to cope with it mentally. He will now remember this as a “great victory” against me, even while the rest of the community ridicules him for his behavior. This is why he’ll keep bringing it up over and over again, despite the fact that not only were my terms favorable to him, but I agreed to _his_ terms as well. Modern cognitive science would label this as a sign of stress-induced mental trauma. I’m not too happy about this outcome, but really, he should have someone in his life who is able to pull him away from this game when things turn out that way, because the trauma will just snowball otherwise. When I got too heated up over games or sports and my friends pulled me away, it allowed me to calibrate my perspective and improve myself as a person. But it doesn’t look like he has anyone in his life who looks over his actions here and tells him that he’s erring. It’s kind of sad, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/344 "2022-03-06T11:42:13Z")
When people are resorting to personal attacks rather than the matter at hand one knows that they are running away from the discussion. The simple fact is that you as a war deccer are unable to war dec says it all, that is the most obvious issue you have. You frame this challenge as a means to state that you are better in the forums for some reason, you believe that any victory in this validates your position. I make it clear it does nothing of the sort, and frame your challenge as so pathetic by stating that I will give you a silly kill just to point out how meaningless it is and how little I think of it. None of this is an excuse, it is just cold hard contempt for such a fake and pathetic challenge and your desire for some sort forum dominance in your own imagination. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/345 "2022-03-06T11:48:40Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > The simple fact is that you as a war deccer are unable to war dec says it all, that is the most obvious issue you have. Here’s the difference between us, Dracvlad: I actually have the integrity to admit that it’s an issue, and that I currently don’t have the answers or the solutions to be able to address it. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > You frame this challenge as a means to state that you are better in the forums for some reason, you believe that any victory in this validates your position. > > I make it clear it does nothing of the sort, and frame your challenge as so pathetic by stating that I will give you a silly kill just to point out how meaningless it is and how little I think of it. > > None of this is an excuse, it is just cold hard contempt for such a fake and pathetic challenge and your desire for some sort forum dominance in your own imagination. You should take the challenge, and ask other people what they think about it. And by that I don’t even mean ask other EVE players; ask some people who have nothing to do with EVE, who don’t know me, and are completely impartial, what they think about the challenge, and what they think about how you responded to it. The results might surprise you. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/346 "2022-03-06T11:58:32Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Here’s the difference between us, Dracvlad: I actually have the integrity to admit that it’s an issue, and that I currently don’t have the answers or the solutions to be able to address it. That is an issue for anyone who does war decs, we get around it. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You should take the challenge, and ask other people what they think about it. And by that I don’t even mean ask other EVE players; ask some people who have nothing to do with EVE, who don’t know me, and are completely impartial, what they think about the challenge, and what they think about how you responded to it. > > The results might surprise you. I would assume a lack of honesty on your part. I get the impression you are the type of person who would lie to yourself. I know what and who I am, do you? I don’t think so. At a guess you live in California, I would suggest you are the type of person who has turned the sunshine state into the shite-stain state. 🤯 ---
**Author:** ![Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyvinex_ssasen/32/303752_2.png) [@Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyvinex_Ssasen)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/347 "2022-03-06T12:01:04Z")
🍿 So lemme get this straight. People make alts just to post on the space game forums? EVE is wild. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/348 "2022-03-06T12:05:30Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I would assume a lack of honesty on your part. I get the impression you are the type of person who would lie to yourself. I know what and who I am, do you? I don’t think so. This gibberish has literally nothing to do with what I said. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > At a guess you live in California, I would suggest you are the type of person who has turned the sunshine state into the shite-stain state. “Dracvlad insults 30 million people for no particular reason.” Just going to leave this here. ---
**Author:** ![Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyvinex_ssasen/32/303752_2.png) [@Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyvinex_Ssasen)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/349 "2022-03-06T12:51:26Z")
I can’t help but read “California” in Richard Steven Horvitz’s voice in _Destroy All Humans_, in my head. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/350 "2022-03-06T13:02:43Z")
Basically you are a war deccer who cannot war dec, I am not a war deccer at least in my main game play, that is not difficult to understand, well perhaps for you maybe… West coast USA definitely… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/351 "2022-03-06T13:12:12Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Basically you are a war deccer who cannot war dec, I am not a war deccer at least in my main game play, that is not difficult to understand, well perhaps for you maybe… West coast USA definitely… What do EVE wars have to do with where someone lives in real life? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/352 "2022-03-06T13:28:24Z")
Everything, can you shoot someone if he is not online? Knowing the target TZ is very important. When we look at Ganker perches we check the vulnerability timers first to see if it suits our TZ. I came across so many war deccers that blanked decced people without checking this most basic intel. So having a good idea of where someone actually lives defines pretty much their play time. I also find it good at least superficially to know certain cultural drivers that affect their thinking. For example I operated in Stain, so I made sure to understand the best way to deal with Russians there, due to that I developed common ground relationships with some. Your cultural drivers ooze from every post you make. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/353 "2022-03-06T13:37:46Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > know certain cultural drivers that affect their thinking > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Your cultural drivers ooze from every post you make. You are so desperate to impress random strangers on an internet forum, that you can’t even begin to fathom how cringy saying stuff like this makes you sound. ---
**Author:** ![Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyvinex_ssasen/32/303752_2.png) [@Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyvinex_Ssasen)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/354 "2022-03-06T13:38:10Z")
My superior Midwestern intellect and time zone will allow me to shitpost across the divides in manners inconceivable to _Coasters_. ---
**Author:** ![Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyvinex_ssasen/32/303752_2.png) [@Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyvinex_Ssasen)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/355 "2022-03-06T13:39:13Z")
All that water, Destiny, but you can’t even drink it. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/356 "2022-03-06T13:50:54Z")
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**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/357 "2022-03-06T14:59:13Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You’re not just discussing EVE; you’re making unsubstantiated claims. Since when was there a requirement in Eve that I had to provide a sworn affidavit of it…for your satisfaction…every time I undock from a station ? Butting in every 5 seconds with ‘prove this or that’ is the real trolling. If anyone thinks _way_ too much of themselves and their own totally unsubstantiated opinion it is the likes of yourself and Gix. I do not recognise your self-declared God status. Given the sheer amount of venomous spittle from Gix…this thread really should have been called The Gate To Saliva. You’ve likely been at this for so long that you simply have no idea how toxic and trollish you come across as. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/358 "2022-03-06T15:06:41Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Butting in every 5 seconds with ‘prove this or that’ is the real trolling. You’ve gloated and bragged about making literally MILLIONS of isk by outsmarting and outplaying the gankers. The least you could do is provide some evidence. Otherwise, people will assume you are just yapping. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/359 "2022-03-06T15:11:50Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Not really? You’ve admitted you’re an alt. Why the hell do you even care ? A person gets three toons per account. All three of them are me. What’s the big deal ? Only a complete raving loony would rant on and on and on and on about it for month after month. Why, in a game where someone can multibox with 6 genuinely different accounts ( rather than just ‘characters’ ) and you say absolutely nothing about it…are you **so** obsessed with who ‘else’ I am ? Nothing in the rules here says I cannot describe my _overall_ experience in Eve. Nowhere does it say I have to tell you who all my characters are…because often the whole **purpose** of other characters is to live different Eve lives…or even to be deceptive, which is part of the game ! So…what the blazes is your endless problem ? Why do you troll this nonsense line every damned thread ? ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/360 "2022-03-06T15:24:02Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > You’ve gloated and bragged about making literally MILLIONS of isk by outsmarting and outplaying the gankers. The least you could do is provide some evidence. As I say to Gix…why would you even care ? And why would I want to create a video of me getting past MacGybo ( who probably didn’t even care that i was there as I was carrying less than 100m ) just to ‘prove’ anything for your satisfaction. You cannot claim in one breath that I am a ‘nobody’…and then claim in the next that every little detail of what I say matters. Which is it ? What’s more, the real trolling is precisely this ‘give evidence’ nonsense. I recall when I told Gix a lady next to me in a belt was mining in a Catalyst ( she now mines in a Thorax ) . Gix did not believe it even when I _did_ provide a photo. That was the point where I ceased to care what anyone else believes. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2022, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/361 "2022-03-06T15:28:37Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > why would you even care ? Why would I? Not sure why you yap so much. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466.md?page=17) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466.md?page=19)