# The gate to Sivala **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [February 27, 2022, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466 "2022-02-27T08:18:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/82 "2022-03-01T11:14:02Z")
A factual observation doesn’t HAVE to be a dig. You are taking at as one obviously. Understandable. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/83 "2022-03-01T11:43:12Z")
And my opinion for what it’s worth , we are a resistance movement, to combat high sec ganking and the people behind it , we aim to make high a little bit safer for the people who live there, if we could push the gankers back to low that would be nice but we can’t with the game mechanics we have , if ccp changed something that stopped ganking then we would move on to new targets like helping people who have been war dec ed like we have done in the past breaking up low sec gate camps . Saying all this we all have to work within the game mechanics and some things are just not possible to do. But it’s fun trying , when gankers started this AG wasn’t a factor for them to think about , now they do , who knows what we will find next , I have spotted something but I’ll need to do more testing , fingers crossed. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/84 "2022-03-01T11:45:16Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > if we could push the gankers back to low that would be nice you what? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/85 "2022-03-01T11:51:26Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Anti-Ganking. The organisation with the admirable goal of ~~eliminating ganking~~ killing the odd ganker but leaving the rest around because they need content for tomorrow. Was a dig… ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/86 "2022-03-01T11:57:55Z")
i am deeply sorry that you are offended by the AG mission statement. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/87 "2022-03-01T12:07:37Z")
So you have come out with a mission statement for something that you do not have any involvement in. This is about right for the arrogance and stupidity that is often shown on this forum. And you are always wrong… ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/88 "2022-03-01T12:13:51Z")
Again. Where am i wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/89 "2022-03-01T13:45:05Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > we can’t be there 24/7 When the cat is away, the mice will play ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/f/e/efe648217f300f361d6fa2728461ef9b82964b47.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/90 "2022-03-01T14:07:52Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Maybe one day ccp will get war decs sorted out Yes Yes - get rid of this structure bashing nonsense, return to the days of old, stand at the crossroads and look; ask for the ancient paths, let the blood flow. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/91 "2022-03-01T16:51:13Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Just make sure you still have content for tomorrow 🙂 Their content for _tomorrow_ is located in the ice belt. > [@Githany\_Red](#): > > if ccp changed something that stopped ganking then we would move on to new targets like helping people who have been war dec ed No you won’t. No offense, but not with your current leadership, and not while your current sole source of game knowledge is you-know-who. As I said the first time we talked about this like a year and a half ago (and then many times after), if you _wanted_ to do that, you’d be doing it _today._ ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/92 "2022-03-01T16:54:45Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Githany, your side has no business talking about “fighting” and all that other noble warrior nonsense, when all you guys do is latch onto CONCORD kill mails. Oh…but of course Aiko would _never_ shoot her own team mates just so as to get 3% of the kill ( the rest being Concord ) and get a ‘Solo’ kill. Oh…wait…that’s exactly what happened last week when she was ganking around the Oipo area. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/93 "2022-03-01T16:56:55Z")
So you think that Aiko is trying to be a noble warrior, as opposed to trolling players like you with kill board stat loopholes? ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/94 "2022-03-01T17:01:42Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > So you think that Aiko is trying to be a noble warrior That’s exactly how she tries to come across…rescuing highsec from those terrible miners who steal all the ore. It’s exactly the same ‘noble warrior’ scam the Wormhole Police use…a bunch of thugs pretending they are ‘protecting’ sacred relics. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/95 "2022-03-01T17:02:33Z")
Sounds like both of those parties have been very successful in their goals, then. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/96 "2022-03-01T17:07:45Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > and not while your current sole source of game knowledge is you-know-who. Githany comes up with her own ideas as does her corp. You really like being a smug superior type on the forums don’t you. But you can’t even do a war HQ. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/97 "2022-03-01T17:14:22Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Sounds like both of those parties have been very successful in their goals, then. But that’s precisely why Safety have a big fat juicy red bullseye on them. Why would I want to be one of Aiko’s minions, getting 2% of the kill on some hapless barge and deceiving myself that it was all so cool ? I mean…the average Safety member has to be involved in 50 ganks before they’ve even killed an entire ship…lol !! Forget the ‘noble warrior’ stuff, the sheer _arrogance_ of the two-percenters is what invokes a fight back. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/98 "2022-03-01T17:18:30Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > You really like being a smug superior type on the forums don’t you ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/e/5/0e5ea141c8b83d62454ed26b77a520345e2a9d03.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/99 "2022-03-01T17:21:25Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > You really like being a smug superior type on the forums don’t you. But you can’t even do a war HQ. Can you make me a list of all of the things I need to do so that you would consider me as a skilled and knowledgeable player? Let’s say I put up a war HQ. What then? Give me something I’d need to go through line-item which would leave you with nothing to criticize. Because people like you always nitpick and move the goalposts. I’m thinking it would be simpler if you just made a list. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > But that’s precisely why Safety have a big fat juicy red bullseye on them. Why would I want to be one of Aiko’s minions, getting 2% of the kill on some hapless barge and deceiving myself that it was all so cool ? I mean…the average Safety member has to be involved in 50 ganks before they’ve even killed an entire ship…lol !! There aren’t rules and requirements to be a Safety. member. You can do for-profit ganking if you want to, however you want to. You can solo-gank if you want to, and not have to share your loot with anyone. I think you’re just picking at straws. Also, I gotta say, if this is your criticism of ganking, boy would you be disappointed with “honorable” and “respectable” null-sec **“_REAL_”** PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/100 "2022-03-01T17:40:13Z")
Actually I think you are skilled and knowledgeable player. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466/101 "2022-03-01T17:40:24Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I think you’re just picking at straws. I think you’re just evading the point. By their very nature, corps, alliance, etc mean you are a small cog in someone else’s machine. Sure, one ‘can’ do all the other things you mentioned…but most in Safety that I have seen are the Two-Percenters, who strut about because they killed 1/50th of some hapless barge. Lone wolfs like myself would far rather kill all or die all…100% victory or 100% loss. If a little ‘noble warrior’ can be thrown in too then so much the better…but for me AG is a fight against the arrogance of Two-Percenters ( a lovely term I will increasingly use ) who strut about like God’s gift just because they broke the wing mirror on a barge. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-gate-to-sivala/351466.md?page=6)