# The glass ceiling for the HS PvE / ganking x abysslas **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 21, 2026, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629 "2026-10-21T17:10:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Skott\_Atram](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skott_atram/32/515634_2.png) [@Skott\_Atram](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skott_Atram)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2026, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/1 "2026-10-21T17:10:51Z")
the title is basically self-explanatory, running any abyssals on any ship is playing a roulette game of exiting a site and hoping gankers have not found you, or rather, were not bored enough to find you ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/a/d/3ad067706a413b285d0c4b49de8f3221990c1b51.jpeg) \*for anyone about to write “don’t do X in forge” I’ve seen to many mails from all parts of HS, it not veen about the bloody forge… there’s not quite a lack, but rather an abscence of any mechanics regulating such interaction and a clear unvillingness to do anything about it from both the community side (not discussing any related problems enough partly because barely nothing happend for years) and a FC side (that did not do anything about it, because you need to have an omega to gank and when gankers pay subs profits go brr). I clearly see a how I can fix it myself. I either have to join a large null-block with intel channels and roll abyssals here, which in vast majority of cases also means that I’d need to have a mandatory X hrs in fleets monthly. Second option is to swipe for 2 extra accounts myself and probably a better PC to run these. If you have a logi on spot and a corvette to call the concord you’re making yourself an extremely difficult target to gank which sounds like a perfect solution (jokes on people saying eve is not p2w btw, you literally swipe and fix your problems lol). There are 2 issues to it actually, 1st one is that I’m not from the EU/US region and w/o local prices can’t afford to pay even for a single omega account. 2nd problem is, I’m in principal not paying more money for a badly done job or rather an abscence of it. The company is worth rewarding for the good, enjoyable and satisfying player experience. If I have to fix an issue myself with a company’s product by paying 2x times more, there’s no incentive to make it better - the company takes your money and walks away with greater profits. The effect will actually be opposite, since more revenue means we’re doing good and should carry on as such. After seeing gank killmails from last 3 months on basically every single 0.5 systems even on isands I ditched my goal of going for t6 abyssals and will leave the game in a few days for greater good, as there’s nothing left for me to do anymore - I got denied of making money by how bad or rather not-well-thought-out the game mechanics are. The concord is useless and never protects - only vindicates. You can’t make an engagement on spot any remotely fair, you’ll always lose your ship no matter what, unless you fix it yourself see above. You can hide 30-40-50 jumps away from jita hoping they wont find you, but the matter stays the same - a person for their own funsies can and will deny you any money you’ve been sweating to get in the abyss by just scanning a beacon down and popping your ship. You won’t deny them from hours of their gameplay back ever, because, mind you, it’s objectively impossible (funny right?) they’ll get popped by concord and continue to run around doing whatever they want (is there even a reason for hs space to exist in it’s current form if ventures in t1 fits are getting killed for the same fun-sake? kind of a joke imo), while others have to either pay to not lose or run as far away as possible hoping they won’t get killed here. After realising how bad and twisted the picture is, I got depressed and demotivated to do anything here and will leave the game in a few days for greater good. And before any of you type “poor miner got denied from making trillions in HS safely, I’m so sorry etc” for the reference there’s actually a legitimate way to make about as much as you would from t6 abyss, given you sell stuff on buy orders in jita, time to travell to sell all the stuff etc, which is HQ incruision fleets with building concord LP items yourself. The difference is, the incursion fleet is as safe as an abyss should be - you have eyes 5-10 jumps away, you travell on a BS with full-tank 300k ehp cloak+mwd travel fit with all the valuable faction modules in the sub 2 sec align escape frigate while having intel on gankers on the way between focuses etc. The only difference - you’re forced to attend at the time a fleet commander can play the game, not when you can. And the moment there’s an opportunity to make a comparable isk solo, you’re denied and tortured for the giggles of smb else. I’d way rather spend 4-6 hrs of plexing an account and then as much to actually do smth fun with my buddies, but I guess the game is not here yet. After seeing that there have not been any changes to this objectively bad game-design, I won’t even propose anything, I’m realising how slow and reactive the game is and if the issue have not been solved any time before, it likely never won’t. So I’m just putting a little rant out here to feel slightly less bad about it, that’s about it. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2026, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/2 "2026-10-21T17:32:47Z")
![werftw](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/6/7/76760e8559d77073ec8de7cccf3b73f6582cc7b5.jpeg) There’s your problem. If you had put in as much effort into NOT being so close to an obvious trade hub as you put into writing this nonsense, you wouldn’t have died. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2026, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/3 "2026-10-21T17:40:27Z")
Did the gankers also gank away the colors from your image? 🤔 🤭 😏 :ccpguard: ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2026, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/4 "2026-10-21T17:44:36Z")
Fit too cheap. Colors not included. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2026, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/5 "2026-10-21T18:29:03Z")
The real problem here is that it’s possible to run high tier abyssals in high sec without getting a suspect flag. Ganking high tier abyssal runners shouldn’t be gated behind multiboxing. That is top tier solo content that should be available to The People. ---
**Author:** ![TR09N](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tr09n/32/479710_2.png) [@TR09N](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TR09N)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2026, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/6 "2026-10-21T18:42:32Z")
How many of gank squads operate outside Forge? How many of them operate in your TZ? How often they are online? What fits do they use for ganks? Can you exploit knowlege of their fits to make an effective counter to most of them? How many of them can break the tankiest fit you can make for abyssals? Are dangerous squads to you are logged off in your system or they are currently in the other side of HS? Idk it seems to me you dont try hard enough. ---
**Author:** ![Drosera\_Binata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drosera_binata/32/514743_2.png) [@Drosera\_Binata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drosera_Binata)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2026, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/7 "2026-10-21T18:53:16Z")
i use abyssal modules on some of my mining ships and they dont act as bait… in fact, i have never truly been ganked, and that is when i am 4 jumps away from jita! ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2026, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/8 "2026-10-21T18:53:21Z")
> [@TR09N](#): > > How many of gank squads operate outside Forge? Can’t be that many. I did run HighTier Abyssals in Kakki for a while, and they attempted to gank my Abyssalrunner 3 times. Failed each time. But that was pretty close to Jita, I think 7 jumps or so. Relocated to a HS at the end of the world, on a deepsave in a very large system. No one ever tried again. In fact, I am pretty much alone in local most of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Anna\_Dyneaux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anna_dyneaux/32/510758_2.png) [@Anna\_Dyneaux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anna_Dyneaux)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2026, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/9 "2026-10-21T18:53:34Z")
Try running abyssals in Solitude instead. Hardly any gankers go there because hardly any targets dare pass through lowsec to get there. ---
**Author:** ![Yahamssi\_Judihuijj](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yahamssi_judihuijj/32/392777_2.png) [@Yahamssi\_Judihuijj](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yahamssi_Judihuijj)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2026, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/10 "2026-10-21T19:05:02Z")
tldr : boohoo ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2026, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/11 "2026-10-21T20:48:48Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Colors not included. I have to say I actually like the b/w graphics for killmails, for whatever the reason it is they’re like that. Makes it look cleaner, and less distracting. Not that that is the point of this discussion, though. ---
**Author:** ![Skott\_Atram](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skott_atram/32/515634_2.png) [@Skott\_Atram](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skott_Atram)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 4:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/12 "2026-10-22T04:56:06Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/6/a/f6a5b75e17c6ea0e6fd2383a21bb7e3f59a00f54.png) ---
**Author:** ![Skott\_Atram](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skott_atram/32/515634_2.png) [@Skott\_Atram](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skott_Atram)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 5:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/13 "2026-10-22T05:08:01Z")
> [@TR09N](#): > > How many of gank squads operate outside Forge? white sky, goons, safety etc… > [@TR09N](#): > > How many of them operate in your TZ? different corps have different TZ presence > [@TR09N](#): > > What fits do they use for ganks? Can you exploit knowlege of their fits to make an effective counter to most of them? you can’t exploit knowledge of their fitting. When you exit the abyss, you see 10 catalysts at 0 from you. Concord takes 15-20 seconds to get to your ship. Every catalyct is 700 DPS, there’s not a single solo abyss cruiser that can tank 7k dps for 20 seconds, you’re dead no matter what unless see above > [@TR09N](#): > > Are dangerous squads to you are logged off in your system or they are currently in the other side of HS? they typically roam and fast scan traces with combats from a t3c. They usually don’t base in any specific system, just stumble on you when you’re out here in the trace. If the timing is bad, which is, given you’re 5-20 minutes here, will likely be bad, you’ll get scanned down and camped upon exit > [@TR09N](#): > > Idk it seems to me you dont try hard enough. I’ve been wasting a week on my time to chekc every single 0.5 system out here in space on zkill, ran here, sit here on the stations watching who’s in local. If there’s anything I missed I’ll be genuinely grateful for the advice ---
**Author:** ![Skott\_Atram](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skott_atram/32/515634_2.png) [@Skott\_Atram](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skott_Atram)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 5:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/14 "2026-10-22T05:19:50Z")
> [@Anna\_Dyneaux](#): > > Try running abyssals in Solitude instead ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/e/d/ced9a0c4225a6f58b1ee2755af0007706ece6899.png) they’re still here, from yearly 10 am ET -mobile depo fron Novus to late local evening time see the pic ---
**Author:** ![Anna\_Dyneaux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anna_dyneaux/32/510758_2.png) [@Anna\_Dyneaux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anna_Dyneaux)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 6:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/15 "2026-10-22T06:06:34Z")
> [@Skott\_Atram](#): > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/e/d/ced9a0c4225a6f58b1ee2755af0007706ece6899.png) > > they’re still here, from yearly 10 am ET -mobile depo fron Novus to late local evening time see the pic Check the timestamps. It’s been a month and a half since Vlad got ganked, and it was another month before that. ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 8:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/16 "2026-10-22T08:48:04Z")
> [@Skott\_Atram](#): > > running any abyssals on any ship is playing a roulette game of exiting a site and hoping gankers have not found you SG’s are using multiple alts to gank. You need multiple alts to counter it. Use alts to guard the exit of the abyssal alt or to guard the mining alts. stop this lame excuses. PVEr’s need ways to fight back already. Always on victim mindset is retarded. ---
**Author:** ![Christine\_Creed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/christine_creed/32/510186_2.png) [@Christine\_Creed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Christine_Creed)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/17 "2026-10-22T09:07:29Z")
> [@Skott\_Atram](#): > > safety I recognize those players names in that km, Yep, Safety got you. Well the only comment i have is one that youve already mentioned you dont want to hear. Move farther out and away from populated areas. Doing any content that close to a trade hub is just feeding the wolves. Youre just making their job easier. 🌹 ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/18 "2026-10-22T09:11:28Z")
Are you one of those “if it’s not 100% fixed it’s still a problem and you might as well not bother” people, it sure sounds like you’re one of those. ---
**Author:** ![TR09N](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tr09n/32/479710_2.png) [@TR09N](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TR09N)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/19 "2026-10-22T09:22:23Z")
> [@Skott\_Atram](#): > > different corps have different TZ presence Thats not the answer to the question > [@Skott\_Atram](#): > > you see 10 catalysts at 0 from you. They are not at 0 from you, typically they would be at 3-5km. And if there would be only catalysts(not true btw) your typical T6 ishtar with rolled improved blue pill and some emergency boosters can survive them long enough. ![3](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/5/a/c5aa5f508c8bb2769d07d6f293d9e941cab45a5f.png) > [@Skott\_Atram](#): > > If the timing is bad Except with locator agents you can know for sure where are they with a few minutes delay > [@Skott\_Atram](#): > > wasting a week on my time to chekc every single 0.5 system More less waste of time. Every 0.5 system is dangerous, you just have to pick one that is very far from center of the HS, far from local LS/NS PVPers who dont mind searching targets in near HS(like LSH) ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/20 "2026-10-22T11:47:31Z")
> [@TR09N](#): > > How many of gank squads operate outside Forge? How many of them operate in your TZ? How often they are online? What fits do they use for ganks? Can you exploit knowlege of their fits to make an effective counter to most of them? How many of them can break the tankiest fit you can make for abyssals? Are dangerous squads to you are logged off in your system or they are currently in the other side of HS? Muvolailen is probably one of _the_ top ganking systems. Some gankers spend 90% of their time there. It’s right next to Jita…and the irony is that a portion of my suspect hunting consists of just waiting for suspect abyssal runners outside Jita station. So if the gankers don’t get them…I do. Given that I have been known to do 35 jumps just to retrieve 20m ISK worth of Void…my heart truly does not bleed for those so lazy that they have to do just one jump for everything and are still suspect on arriving. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629.md?page=2)