# The glass ceiling for the HS PvE / ganking x abysslas **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 21, 2026, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629 "2026-10-21T17:10:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/21 "2026-10-22T12:06:26Z")
> [@Skott\_Atram](#): > > You can hide 30-40-50 jumps away from jita hoping they wont find you, but the matter stays the same - a person for their own funsies can and will deny you any money you’ve been sweating to get in the abyss by just scanning a beacon down and popping your ship. I’ve mined, PVE’d, etc in systems that see a ganker once in a blue moon. For a while I mined in 0.6 Azerakish…( about 8 jumps from Amarr, if I recall correctly ) and literally had the system all to myself…which was bizarre as it has probably **the** largest asteroid belts in EVE and there’s no-one there. Now and then the southern branch of Safety would show up…but that was quite rare. I’ve also used 0.5 Aurcel for PVE…rarely more than 3 or 4 people there and rarely any gankers. The last place I’d abyssal run is a system right next to Jita. And if I did…I’d use my system of safe spots to ensure not being caught. You just set up 3 or 4 safe spots and warp between them one after another so that by the time anyone has traced you…you are at the next safe spot. I often use this method when I have a weapons timer. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/22 "2026-10-22T12:17:26Z")
> [@Skott\_Atram](#): > > you see 10 catalysts at 0 from you. My Abyssalrunner was attacked like 3 times so far. They used more like 7 ships, not 10. And I won every time, very conveniently. Overheating, Drugs, Afterburner, AssaultDamage Control and _shooting back instantly_ are your friends. Especially if they are heavily multiboxing, which most of them do, they won’t begin shooting all at once. And burning away with overheated AB will actually reduce Catalyst DPS quite a LOT before they have multple webs on you. To the degee that many groups have switched over to Coercers already. Which results in quite a bit lower real DPS you have to tank. Besides that, T4 can be run in very cheap ships, easily replaced if you get ganked once every blue moon. And if you still can’t stand it, find yourself a wormhole with a large AU radius, make a deepsave and drop a POS. Chance that some random combatprober finds an off-angle Deepsafe 80 or 90 AU from the star in a random WH is close to zero. Especially if there is no local and absolutely nobody even knows you are running there. ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/23 "2026-10-22T12:32:53Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Drugs ![Walter White Licking Paper - Breaking Bad Meme](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/2/a/e2a58ab45fc1e05dc79b2d07d22468509faf9897.webp) 👀 ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/24 "2026-10-22T12:44:57Z")
> [@Skott\_Atram](#): > > I’ve been wasting a week on my time to chekc every single 0.5 system out here in space on zkill, ran here, sit here on the stations watching who’s in local. If there’s anything I missed I’ll be genuinely grateful for the advice The thing you’re missing is that you seem to be of the opinion that your abyssal runner getting ganked is some sort of systemic adversity and not a personal problem that nobody else gives a ■■■■ about. > [@Skott\_Atram](#): > > You can hide 30-40-50 jumps away from jita hoping they wont find you, but the matter stays the same - a person for their own funsies can and will deny you any money you’ve been sweating to get in the abyss by just scanning a beacon down and popping your ship. Yes? Okay? What of it? You seem, to be suffering under the delusion that this isn’t a deliberate and intentional thing, and it very clearly is. You can either accept the risk as a cost of doing abyssals or not, but making sure a Timmy can farm 500m/hr in perfect safety isn’t a design goal and it’s never going to be. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/25 "2026-10-22T12:47:29Z")
This. If you want less risk, do something else, accept lower payment. A very simple deal. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/26 "2026-10-22T13:41:05Z")
You can buy an abyssal permit. ---
**Author:** ![Drosera\_Binata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drosera_binata/32/514743_2.png) [@Drosera\_Binata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drosera_Binata)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/27 "2026-10-22T15:20:42Z")
no, you need to go buy FC if you are going to keep that rubbish up. ---
**Author:** ![Murder\_Maid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/murder_maid/32/515993_2.png) [@Murder\_Maid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Murder_Maid)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/28 "2026-10-22T23:30:40Z")
It’s clear to me after reading this if he had just paid for an Abyssal permit this whole tragedy could have been avoided. ---
**Author:** ![Tharshe\_Bloes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tharshe_bloes/32/491277_2.png) [@Tharshe\_Bloes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tharshe_Bloes)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2026, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/29 "2026-10-22T23:54:08Z")
If every joe Blow and Silly Billy writes a tldr O.P everytime they lose a ship we’ll be here 'til Christmas 🎄 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tapioca\_Terrorist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_tapioca_terrorist/32/493091_2.png) [@The\_Tapioca\_Terrorist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Tapioca_Terrorist)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2026, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/30 "2026-10-23T09:02:24Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > There’s your problem. If you had put in as much effort into NOT being so close to an obvious trade hub as you put into writing this nonsense, you wouldn’t have died. i stay on a island in low sec, there is a group of hunters that target purely abyssal runners.. they cant hide, they always get founf and popped ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2026, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/31 "2026-10-23T09:23:14Z")
“PVP happens in this PVP game”, yup. The trick is to lower your risk, and being on an obvious HS island “no one would go to” is exactly where everyone goes to. ---
**Author:** ![Drosera\_Binata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drosera_binata/32/514743_2.png) [@Drosera\_Binata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drosera_Binata)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2026, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/32 "2026-10-23T11:55:32Z")
i have only ever been killed by the skybreaker troops when doing abyssals ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2026, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/33 "2026-10-23T12:37:08Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/a/7/8a71ead4d057ab0b02d3508f55b63a54ab9ec27a.jpeg "EVE Online - Abyss Gila gets ganked") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRYBxieIqVA&t=316) ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2026, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/34 "2026-10-23T12:42:50Z")
![Screenshot (299)](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/a/3/8a3ad4e27c717a89e9b5c80047629a15e624da14.png) This guy has brains. Problem solved. You can also use cheap ship other than corvette. Suicide ganking can be solved by suicide ganking, “Suicide ganking is the counter to suicide ganking” ---
**Author:** ![Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wolfgang_jannesen/32/496726_2.png) [@Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wolfgang_Jannesen)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2026, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/35 "2026-10-23T15:07:05Z")
I don’t believe that abyssal sites should be safe. It is a spectacularly lucrative isk farm, it should be dangerous. Abyssals are one of my favorite pastimes and its all about location, location, location. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2026, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/36 "2026-10-23T16:08:16Z")
You can also use an Orca Alt, park it a few 100km away, aligned to the trace. Jump out, warp to your main while it still is invulnerable. Store the ship into the Orca and leave. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2026, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/37 "2026-10-23T19:31:26Z")
> [@Lydra\_Victor](#): > > ![Screenshot (299)](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/a/3/8a3ad4e27c717a89e9b5c80047629a15e624da14.png) > > This guy has brains. Problem solved. You can also use cheap ship other than corvette. Suicide ganking can be solved by suicide ganking, > > “Suicide ganking is the counter to suicide ganking” DO NOT TRY THIS!!! It doesn’t work, okay? It will literally not work and you will lose your expensive ship, genuinely and actually. I am serious, it will not work, and you will stare in disbelief at the screen at what just happened. You are NOT going to avoid anything! Trust me, just buy the abyssal permit. And then you will be safe. With alarmed regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2026, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/38 "2026-10-23T21:55:35Z")
> [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > Trust me, just buy the abyssal permit. And then you will be safe. Yeah. Miners are too dumb to try that suggestion. Much better for them to buy permit. ☺ ---
**Author:** ![Drosera\_Binata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drosera_binata/32/514743_2.png) [@Drosera\_Binata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drosera_Binata)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2026, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/39 "2026-10-23T21:58:16Z")
i do that every once in a while ---
**Author:** ![Skott\_Atram](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skott_atram/32/515634_2.png) [@Skott\_Atram](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skott_Atram)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2026, 3:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629/40 "2026-10-25T03:39:06Z")
> [@Anna\_Dyneaux](#): > > Check the timestamps. It’s been a month and a half since Vlad got ganked, and it was another month before that. it can mean 2 things, either there’s only 1 runner per month who enters island HS systems, and they got located and killed fast, or that gankers travel to these systems once in a month and a half, kind of 50/50 situation. There may be pretty much eyes in the systems looking for people trying to run away from HS > [@Lydra\_Victor](#): > > SG’s are using multiple alts to gank. You need multiple alts to counter it. Use alts to guard the exit of the abyssal alt or to guard the mining alts. stop this lame excuses. > > PVEr’s need ways to fight back already. Always on victim mindset is retarded. yes and no. Yes, it may be alright to have the current state of 0.5 systems. 0.6 is questionable, you can run incursions in complete safety and have the same isk/hr, does it really has to be like that? maybe? idk. For 0.7, 0.8, 0.9 systems I’d add a mechanic that would make concord pre-spawn in 25-50% cases and make it a game of chance to not get a guarantee protection. With t4 abyss for cruisers most of the runs a only slight profit or about net 0, for t3 cruiser sites it’s about 60 mil an hour and I don’t see a reason of why not give people an extra mean of protection even rng based, making running these sites slightly more safe. It’ll become a fine alternative for low-SP players, because as of now I suppose besides incursions and joining anull-bloc, what are other ways for alpha/new player to make good isk? trading and industry is blocked behind omega and need to be studyend carefully before doing it and is not for everyone clearly. Scanning maybe? daytrips also take quite some time and are quite risky as well. Having to do more then 2 pve options would be quite nice, it’s more to do and a person is not locked for only 2 options > [@Christine\_Creed](#): > > Move farther out and away from populated areas. Doing any content that close to a trade hub is just feeding the wolves. Youre just making their job easier. there are enourmous numbers of killmails all across the HS space, in 0.5, 0.6 and higher systems. I tried to pick a new system to run t4s, but after each and every one of them had ganking happened for the last 1-2 monts I gave up on it. I accepted that there’s a soft cap on pve isk/hr, as incursions give up to 300 mil/hr so does t6 abyss with running second toon on the spot to pre-call concord. But after giving it some time to think about, I’d love to see more options for self-protection for lower tiers of abyss, t0-t4, which are 0.7, 0.8, 0.9 systems > [@TR09N](#): > > Thats not the answer to the question ET : 2 , 3 , 5 , 6 , 9 , 10 , 13 , 15 , 18 , 23 , see Miah. Basically all across the day, so it’s kind of pointless to specifically stamp these here. One ganking corp goes to slee, another one starts running > [@TR09N](#): > > Except with locator agents you can know for sure where are they with a few minutes delay we can look up for what corp runs about when, trace their last active toons and check them up via locator agents. It requires some time to set up, ties a base system to a one having a locator agent, still leaves some room for error, like we never know if they decide to use 10 new toons that were not in the killmails yet, or I can always miss one or more collectives that do ganking and they may slip under the radar. But it’s some info, and given I’ve not thinking about it before as an option, it’s not a bad advice, ty > [@TR09N](#): > > And if there would be only catalysts(not true btw) yep, in further away systems from the HS there are also many coercers, which do significantly more effective damage to ishar with EM hole in it. I did a simulation and it was about 2.3-2.7 k dps tanks against crystals which is… well smth, but likely not enough [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-glass-ceiling-for-the-hs-pve-ganking-x-abysslas/520629.md?page=1)