# The golden question - best isk/hr outside wormholes **URL:** \ **Category:** PvE Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [December 30, 2020, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659 "2020-12-30T20:02:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![GeorgeMarsh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/georgemarsh/32/319842_2.png) [@GeorgeMarsh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GeorgeMarsh)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659/1 "2020-12-30T20:02:31Z")
ideally i just wanna undock and make a bit of isk quick with minimal effort, carrier ratting? ---
**Author:** ![Eternal\_Montage](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eternal_montage/32/425678_2.png) [@Eternal\_Montage](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eternal_Montage)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659/2 "2020-12-30T21:10:45Z")
Do you want to make isk with the least amount of effort? Or do you want to make the most isk you can? Or do you want to find a balance between the two? ---
**Author:** ![GeorgeMarsh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/georgemarsh/32/319842_2.png) [@GeorgeMarsh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GeorgeMarsh)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659/3 "2020-12-30T22:14:01Z")
A nice balance. I’ve done most things PvE from dreads in a C5 to level 4’s but I want to do something casual with a decent isk return and low risk-ish if youre smart to fuel a bit of pvp. So something in between C5’s and level 4’s. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659/4 "2020-12-30T22:25:26Z")
I think the best and easiest is if you send me all your ISK and I double it for you. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659/5 "2020-12-31T00:06:42Z")
Trading, also the best -isk/hour how to lose everything in 30 days if you are not careful 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Stupidest\_EVE\_Player](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stupidest_eve_player/32/354551_2.png) [@Stupidest\_EVE\_Player](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stupidest_EVE_Player)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659/7 "2020-12-31T00:33:00Z")
> [@Makshima\_Shogo](#): > > Trading, also the best -isk/hour how to loose everything in 30 days if you are not careful 😃 It’s spelled “lose” - single “o”. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659/8 "2020-12-31T07:40:29Z")
Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Hink\_Yaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hink_yaken/32/247042_2.png) [@Hink\_Yaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hink_Yaken)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659/9 "2020-12-31T12:47:44Z")
You are in a WH corp, nothing will come even close. You have the choice between 1 hour of dread reatting or 10 hours of carrier ratting. If you really want some low effort income you could join incursion fleets. That should be around 200m/h, but its also super boring. ---
**Author:** ![Stupidest\_EVE\_Player](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stupidest_eve_player/32/354551_2.png) [@Stupidest\_EVE\_Player](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stupidest_EVE_Player)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659/10 "2020-12-31T12:53:14Z")
Hei! Would you allow a player like me in your group? ---
**Author:** ![Hink\_Yaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hink_yaken/32/247042_2.png) [@Hink\_Yaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hink_Yaken)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659/11 "2020-12-31T18:28:00Z")
Which group? ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659/12 "2020-12-31T22:52:10Z")
You are on a forum alt, he has no idea who you even are…and aren’t you already loaded? For a second I thought you might be Op’s alt but your personality is way too different. ---
**Author:** ![Stupidest\_EVE\_Player](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stupidest_eve_player/32/354551_2.png) [@Stupidest\_EVE\_Player](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stupidest_EVE_Player)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2021, 3:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659/13 "2021-01-01T03:06:47Z")
Hey man, I have several in-game characters, I mostly do ganks. I was absent because I did a stint in prison. I’m just getting back into the game now. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2021, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659/14 "2021-01-01T06:47:21Z")
Just head on the youtube and look for tier 6 abyssal 1 billion/ hour video where you buy a Deacon and two assault frigates and run tier 6 abyssal sites in under 20 minutes each and earn 1 billion an hour with 70-90% success rates. At 1 billion an hour you can afford to lose 300 million in frigate cost. And you only need 3 accounts, which you can insert with cheat stix. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2021, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659/15 "2021-01-01T10:42:38Z")
Another reason, to remove Abyssal abnormality from the game. ---
**Author:** ![Joseph\_Panacan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/joseph_panacan/32/461889_2.png) [@Joseph\_Panacan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Joseph_Panacan)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2021, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659/16 "2021-01-01T11:44:40Z")
> [@elitatwo](#): > > earn 1 billion an hour > [@elitatwo](#): > > with 70-90% success rates. oh dear me, so the income expectancy is like at least +700m/hr ish? That’s indeed good income, but with 3 accounts…… 😔 Frown in Omega ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 4:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659/17 "2021-01-02T04:14:19Z")
Same as wormhole income with 3 accounts but with much cheaper setup and 0 chance of players blowing you up. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659/18 "2021-01-02T12:51:48Z")
> [@Joseph\_Panacan](#): > > oh dear me, so the income expectancy is like at least +700m/hr ish? hmm. 75% rate means that out of 4 runs in an hour, 3 runs net you 330M each, and one costs 330M to keep playing, so effectiveley you are doing 660M/h so 220M/h/account. Also remember that whatever is not blue/red loot is going to go down in value if more people farm it. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659/19 "2021-01-02T16:57:09Z")
The percentage values are rounded and not 100% accurate. Watch the video and you will know. The guy explains all the rooms in detail and how he made 16 billion in 1 or 2 days. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-golden-question-best-isk-hr-outside-wormholes/287659/20 "2021-04-02T16:57:10Z")
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