# The Grand Heist - Now Live! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** release, official\ **Created:** [July 27, 2021, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516 "2021-07-27T11:00:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Harri\_Bar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harri_bar/32/282352_2.png) [@Harri\_Bar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Harri_Bar)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/81 "2021-07-27T18:25:52Z")
This is a really cynical and desperate attempt to bring in new players. This is because CCP have managed to alienate the user base so much that no amount of isk will bring people back. I’ve played for 13 years (paid account) and this is the quietest i’ve ever seen it. The industry changes were a disgrace and should’ve been shelved at the planning stage - this was entirely foreseeable. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/82 "2021-07-27T18:27:39Z")
How is this any different than offering a 10-20% discount for a month subscription? Why the salty rage tears from so many people? ---
**Author:** ![Giddy\_McFee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/giddy_mcfee/32/375711_2.png) [@Giddy\_McFee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Giddy_McFee)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/83 "2021-07-27T18:45:02Z")
Apparently the guy in charge of all this that is going on (scaricity etc) was the guy that was in charge of Dust, if that is true then well, nuff said… apperently he said “well if you dont like it then quit” I guess they are backtracking cos a lot of people did just that ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/84 "2021-07-27T18:49:37Z")
> [@Feronanthus](#): > > Look at Daddy Warbucks here with a whole extra 235m! > > Seriously, No one’s getting rich off this. I would assume any veteran player has at least 235m per account worth of stuff forgotten in asset safety or a hangar somewhere whereas a new player is going to feel ecstatic about this login campaign. My issue isn’t that they’re giving out ISK (■■■■, I proposed the exact same thing with my “universal income” idea some months ago); it’s that they’re locking it behind Omega status. And if you don’t think that _that’s_ an issue, well, enjoy your “2 billion ISK for $19.99” packages 6 months from now. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/85 "2021-07-27T19:18:15Z")
What the hell is this stupid mine bubble effects? Zoom out too far and they disappear, zoom in too close and they disappear, and the white rings are much smaller than the red bubbles. What the heck are these worthless UI cues supposed to be useful for? And why does the acceleration gate ring not match the 0 range of the gate? ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/86 "2021-07-27T19:18:30Z")
Because this crosses a moral line I can not yet fully define. Maybe It feels dirty because I didn’t earn it. It’s a sop, It’s a buy-off it makes me **not** want to log in an be presented with the nauseating offence. Not only is it an insult to my intelligence, it a slur on my work ethic. It devalues everything I’ve worked for for over a decade and demonstrates the futility of any future plans. It is conclusive proof that CCP does not understand the value of what they have built and the “Winter is coming” mindset of the West. This abomination should have been burned at inception. That it was bullied through despite CSM objections troubles me deeply. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/87 "2021-07-27T19:19:53Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > Because this crosses a moral line I can not yet fully define. I don’t understand. If you buy Omega and use skill extractors, you can convert into isk? So what is wrong with CCP simply offering an isk discount? You pay full price for a month subscription, and get some isk. How is that fundamentally unethical? ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/88 "2021-07-27T19:24:16Z")
Yes, that is something I am capable of doing - that I choose not to do. Right now choose I not to log into the farce of a “reward”. What exactly am I being rewarded for? Makes me anger. ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/89 "2021-07-27T19:30:13Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > enjoy your “2 billion ISK for $19.99” packages 6 months from now. I’ll be back in 6 months to demand my 2bil. Cya. ---
**Author:** ![Saltberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saltberg/32/268700_2.png) [@Saltberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saltberg)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/90 "2021-07-27T19:31:31Z")
They had to gate it behind omega or people would have created armies of alphas. I mean i would since its 200kk for 5min of work. btw 2b for 20 bucks already exists and is called plex. ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_Mizhen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_mizhen/32/422826_2.png) [@Aiden\_Mizhen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_Mizhen)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/91 "2021-07-27T19:41:30Z")
So has anyone found a single key site? Any details on it? I don’t think they keys are in the game, I am unable to look them up in the search new Eden bar. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/92 "2021-07-27T19:47:41Z")
If you send the isk to me, then you won’t get the reward. Ok hun? ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/93 "2021-07-27T19:55:49Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Ok hun? Deal. If I’m forced to log-in and compulsively redeem this irredeemable vomit, I’ll forward it on to you shrink-wrapped in the required obedience to etiquette. ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/94 "2021-07-27T20:01:42Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Hypothetically it could be true, if CCP is using fake characters to buy back their own PLEX. What PREVENTS THEM ? Ethical reasons? EvE…CCP… Ethics… i think something is burning… ---
**Author:** ![Apoctasy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/apoctasy/32/411394_2.png) [@Apoctasy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Apoctasy)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/95 "2021-07-27T20:03:06Z")
Direct ISK sales is a slippery slope that will kind of ruin the whole point of Eve as we know it. That aside, anyone know what the new ESS lowsec keys are called? Can’t find the ingame item ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_Mizhen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_mizhen/32/422826_2.png) [@Aiden\_Mizhen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_Mizhen)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/96 "2021-07-27T20:12:03Z")
Finally, someone talks about something relevant. 🙂 Yeah I think it may be a bug, I searched for the keys in the top left hand search bar and found nothing, (I used the correct name as seen on SISI, as well as various keywords) and I spent one and a half hours in lowsec and I haven’t found anything, and a friend of mine spent 3 hours much to the same effect. ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/97 "2021-07-27T20:30:18Z")
Yhea i heard that guy…i think i have listen a interview … there is no project complete or succeded…and he is FPS guy … totally different game genre. its hard to understand why he is there… if its in my native country i would say he is son or brother of the owners… because only way to come that position without any reliable success or referance is that so far i know as common practice .but… what do we know yhe ? . by the way if they spread some isk from air … why did they suffered people with scarcity ?..Also so far i think big aliance leaderships already lay their hands on these sources … how much % can john /jane will get ? ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/98 "2021-07-27T20:36:49Z")
CCP is really living up to the name of the release with the latest installment of SP sales: > **[Packs | EVE Online](https://secure.eveonline.com/packs/details/?pack=starter-training-boost-bundle)** > > Get great value Packs for EVE Online, featuring PLEX, Omega, SKINs, Extractors & more. Set course for greatness with the Meteor, Star and Galaxy Packs! 15 Euros for 2 weeks of skill training time and an accelerator. There’s no better way to underline the theme of the release than with this pack. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/99 "2021-07-27T20:41:44Z")
> [@Saltberg](#): > > They had to gate it behind omega or people would have created armies of alphas. I mean i would since its 200kk for 5min of work. btw 2b for 20 bucks already exists and is called plex. There are ways to counter this. Also, if you don’t understand the difference between trading PLEX to another player for ISK they farmed and purchasing ISK directly from CCP, I can’t really help you, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/101 "2021-07-27T22:09:07Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Not really. The way the markets are right now, that’s barely enough to replace a Drake It’s ok, CCP don’t want anyone flying anything other than T1 frigates and cruisers so the “free isk” should help some. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516.md?page=6)