# The Grand Heist - Now Live! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** release, official\ **Created:** [July 27, 2021, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516 "2021-07-27T11:00:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 378
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516/378 "2021-08-09T07:15:38Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > No, they don’t. The latest MER: You missed the point, the MER doesn’t show player numbers nor the full picture of income (only red loot). I’m not talking about the nullsec bot farms, but real players. And the ones who did lower income PvE before I ask are now doing Abyss, except those in Pochven. Every real player leaving the sandbox for income generation is a loss for EvE. > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > So who are the guys doing abyssals? > [@Champions of the Abyss Leaderboard Update](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/champions-of-the-abyss-leaderboard-update/269100): > > Hi everyone, Back in July we announced the [Champions of the Abyss](https://www.eveonline.com/article/qdkvcx/champions-of-the-abyss) - a quadrant-long contest with some cool prizes for whoever racked up the most victories in the Proving Grounds events that were taking place over the Zenith quadrant. With only two Proving Grounds events remaining in the quadrant I figured I’d add up all the results from [this thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-grounds-event-final-leaderboards/255203/) to give an update on the current status of the contest. As of the conclusion of event 7 the current top 50 on the Champions of the Abyss leaderboar… > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Event sites have always been micromanaged, No, they weren’t 2 years ago. No ship restriction, relatively easy NPCs, so you could run the sites in standard PvP fit ships. > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > limited time it’s easier It’s not limited time … > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > How often has this happened? … the 4th time? It started with the mining sites, then the mining sites were reused for 2 events (one with exploit warning bot), and now a completely new site design reuses the population cap! Which one will get it next? > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > And no, the big blocs are not part of the problem. We’re the ones using the sandbox most creatively, making our sand castles and knocking them down. Disagree, you are using the sandbox in the least creative way, because you can and will solve all issues with N+1. Plus meta gaming CCP to get the rules in your favor, ok, that’s creative in a way, as is, finding and using exploits. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-grand-heist-now-live/321516)._