# The Great 2020 CODE Hunt ( 4B+ in Bounties Paid-out so far!) **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [June 14, 2020, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949 "2020-06-14T12:38:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/224 "2020-06-22T16:02:44Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > What do you define as stopping ganks? Well, we can use the definition that OP used. Stopping ganks is defined as preventing the gank from succeeding, i.e. the target survives. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/225 "2020-06-22T16:03:58Z")
Too narrow and therefore meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/226 "2020-06-22T16:04:49Z")
Please explain. How is it too narrow, and therefore meaningless? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/227 "2020-06-22T16:06:28Z")
An example is my blowing up of Aaaaargh’s alt, he was merely jumping a gate to find someone to gank, he did not have an active target at that point in time, but because I blew up his ship someone perhaps did not get ganked. In your context of saving someone I have to have someone there about to be shot to save someone? ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/228 "2020-06-22T16:09:47Z")
How do you know he didnt have an active target at that time? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/229 "2020-06-22T16:10:40Z")
There was no one in a pod or a frigate on the gate slow boating when he jumped through. And if there had been he would have tried to shoot it, he is a very good and active ganker by the way, unlike you. (Emphasis on active.) ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/230 "2020-06-22T16:13:43Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > There was no one in a pod or a frigate on the gate slow boating when he jumped through. So youre saying it is impossible that he was on his way to gank another target on another gate or anomaly? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > he is a very good and active ganker by the way, unlike you. (Emphasis on active.) I never said I ganked, and this isnt even the account Id do it on if i were. Wink wink. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/231 "2020-06-22T16:16:40Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > So youre saying it is impossible that he was on his way to gank another target on another gate or anomaly? I am saying that in the narrow definition you are pushing, my blowing up of his thrasher would not be seen as saving someone. You have to be clear on what you are saying before I can answer it. Do you think I saved someone? > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > I never said I ganked, and this isnt even the account Id do it on if i were. Wink wink. I am referring to the fact that he ganks and is very active and you are not active at all. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/232 "2020-06-22T16:18:08Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I am saying that in the narrow definition you are pushing, my blowing up of his thrasher would not be seen as saving someone. You have to be clear on what you are saying before I can answer it. Do you think I saved someone? So why didnt you mention this to the OP? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I am referring to the fact that he ganks and is very active and you are not active at all. Im active on the forums. We all have our own battlefield. Thankfully, Im as good on these forums as Aaargh is in space. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/233 "2020-06-22T16:19:37Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > So why didnt you mention this to the OP? He defined my blowing up of Aaaarghs alt as saving someone and thus worthy of his additional bounty. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Im active on the forums. We all have our own battlefield. Thankfully, Im as good on these forums as Aaargh is in space. No where close. I have a lot of respect for Aaaaaargh, he is by far my favourite ganker, he is utterly relentless and very good at what he does. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/234 "2020-06-22T16:22:39Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > He defined my blowing up of Aaaarghs alt as saving someone. So theres your answer. You saved someone. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > No where close. I have a lot of respect for Aaaaaargh, he is by far my favourite ganker, he is utterly relentless and very good at what he does. Im sure there are people in AG who would disagree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/235 "2020-06-22T16:28:40Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > So theres your answer. You saved someone. So loot denial is saving someone then. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Im sure there are people in AG who would disagree with you. You suppose, just like you suppose that AG’s job is to save a victim. In truth I speak for myself in that I do not see AG’s job as saving people but to oppose the gankers in the most efficient way they can. And I suppose there are people in and outside of AG who would disagree with me. So I do not see it as my role to directly save people. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/236 "2020-06-22T16:34:58Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > So loot denial is saving someone then. Not unless that Loot is going to gank another player. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > You suppose, just like you suppose that AG’s job is to save a victim. I dont suppose, I know for a fact. Im actively in the AG channel. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > In truth I speak for myself in that I do not see AG’s job as saving people but to oppose the gankers in the most efficient way they can. And I suppose there are people in and outside of AG who would disagree with me. So I do not see it as my role to directly save people. So when you said: > [@Dracvlad](#): > > your bluster and misinformation is just incorrect. You were being incorrect, as there might possibly be AGers who think that it is their job to stop ganks and save the victims? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/237 "2020-06-22T16:41:04Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Not unless that Loot is going to gank another player. Big if… > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > I dont suppose, I know for a fact. Im actively in the AG channel. No you don’t know for a fact, and so what that you are in the channel. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > You were being incorrect, as there might possibly be AGers who think that it is their job to stop ganks and save the victims? So some people have a different view, so perhaps your statement should be that some people think that AG’s role is to save the victim, you were pretty definite that it was all by the way you said it. Which was correctly pointed out by me as being: > [@Dracvlad](#): > > your bluster and misinformation is just incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/238 "2020-06-22T17:05:09Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Big if… I never used the word “If”. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > No you don’t know for a fact, and so what that you are in the channel. Yes, I do. If someone who says they are AG, in the AG channel, and says that one of their jobs is to prevent ganks from happening, then it is a fact. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > So some people have a different view, so perhaps your statement should be that some people think that AG’s role is to save the victim, you were pretty definite that it was all by the way you said it. Which was correctly pointed out by me as being: I never said All. I guess ill reply with a quotation from yourself. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > You suppose I guess youre just as guilty for “supposing”, as you accused me of. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/239 "2020-06-22T17:19:27Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > I never used the word “If”. I did. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Yes, I do. If someone who says they are AG, in the AG channel, and says that one of their jobs is to prevent ganks from happening, then it is a fact. For that person yes. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > I never said All. I guess ill reply with a quotation from yourself. If you had said some you could get away with that, but you said AG as a whole. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > I guess youre just as guilty for “supposing”, as you accused me of. You suppose… ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/240 "2020-06-22T18:18:13Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I did. So youre saying that you were using a big If? Well, thats good for you, but what does it have to do with my comment, then? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > For that person yes. So its a fact. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > If you had said some you could get away with that, but you said AG as a whole. When did i say AG as a whole? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > You suppose… So did you. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/241 "2020-06-22T19:12:58Z")
Ok, and I already regret putting my hand in this blender… If AG arent wanting to stop ganks, but deny loot for funs and tears, does that mean that Venture ganking and other actions similar against new players are not a problem as often posted by those who feel strongly about ganking? Or that its not something that AG (if they are in fact a group and not just a label) care about? ---
**Author:** ![Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahari_chent-shi/32/249476_2.png) [@Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ahari_Chent-Shi)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/242 "2020-06-22T19:45:13Z")
Ventures don’t have any loot so of course they’re beneath notice. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2020, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949/243 "2020-06-22T19:52:28Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > So youre saying that you were using a big If? In terms of your statement. It means it was a conditional. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > So its a fact. For that person perhaps. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > When did i say AG as a whole? You did not say some AG. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > So did you. You suppose. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > If AG arent wanting to stop ganks, but deny loot for funs and tears, does that mean that Venture ganking and other actions similar against new players are not a problem as often posted by those who feel strongly about ganking? Or that its not something that AG (if they are in fact a group and not just a label) care about? Why are you suggesting that AG don’t want to stop ganks. Read this which started my interaction with Solonius: > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Youre putting a large barrier to most Antigankers, as they will almost always fail to save the target. > > But you are right. It is their job to stop them. They dont seem to be very good at their jobs. Solonius here is confusing saving the target and preventing ganks, the issue is here. My reply was that AG oppose ganking, for example the AG intel channel saves people. AG try to prevent ganks, but the thing is that it does not mean that we save the immediate victim, something that Solonius seems to find confusing, and you too by your reaction. Preventing them from looting is not for fun and tears though that is obviously part of it, but if you prevent them from getting the loot then they wasted a Tornado, even better if you can kill their loot scooper too then they lost the loot, the tornado and the loot scooper. It is a big blow and we have caused several gankers to give up. That is preventing ganks, the thing is that very few people notice. Gankers like Kusion and the Aussie loud mouth have so much ISK that they don’t care, it just annoys them, it would have to be a round the clock effort by many people and there are not enough AG to even do that. Hence my attitude of only going after those that I can impact. As for Ventures there are some AG that hunt miner gankers, but not that many. Have you ever tried to do this, it sounds easy but is not. Wrack a mole comes to mind… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-2020-code-hunt-4b-in-bounties-paid-out-so-far/248949.md?page=13)