# The greatest Blog in EVE history is coming to a close **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 24, 2020, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326 "2020-06-24T20:09:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/184 "2020-06-28T21:00:12Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > I think a blog about MTU hunting already exists. Indeed. > **[MTU Hunter](https://mtuhunter.wordpress.com/)** > > Pix Severus @Pix_Severus ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/185 "2020-06-28T21:01:18Z")
> [@Aesir\_Valtari](#): > > The indifference of forum moderators to your behaviour is puzzling me. Then you should look into a mirror, because apparently you’re seeing a problem where there is none. The moderators and CCP staff value freedom of speech over some people’s needs to censor others. They moderate _behaviour_, not words. As it should be. Most of us are well aware of the difference between the two. That’s why he can tell you to ■■■■ off, as you probably should, but it’s not okay to throw the forum equivalent of a temper tantrum, which he isn’t doing. Addendum: Yes, I’m aware he didn’t tell you to ■■■■ off. I had Nicolai Serkanner in mind and it spilled over into the post. That does not change the vallidity of the statement. ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/186 "2020-06-28T21:27:24Z")
On to more interesting matters: @Pix_Severus Are you ever coming back? Would a reason help? ---
**Author:** ![Aesir\_Valtari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aesir_valtari/32/488282_2.png) [@Aesir\_Valtari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aesir_Valtari)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/187 "2020-06-28T21:27:48Z")
Just a polite suggestion: read the definition of freedom of speech first. Then I think you should read carefully forum moderation policy. ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/188 "2020-06-28T21:28:16Z")
And why don’t _you_ just _■■■■ off_ with our hypocritical politeness ? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/189 "2020-06-28T21:34:02Z")
Maybe Aesir should start his own forum. He could moderate it properly. ---
**Author:** ![Pix\_Severus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pix_severus/32/394032_2.png) [@Pix\_Severus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pix_Severus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/190 "2020-06-28T22:02:36Z")
I reinstalled EVE a few days back after building a new PC, but I haven’t found the time to login yet. I do have some unfinished business to take care of in-game, so you might see me around space soon. Drop me a mail if you want to chat sometime. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/191 "2020-06-28T22:06:54Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Oh dear, must find myself a good lawyer I guess. Yes, he will take you to space-court and jail you for space-crimes against humanity. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/192 "2020-06-28T22:08:10Z")
> [@Magnus\_Carta](#): > > If you keep toying with someone for “no real reason” it’s called griefing, if you toy with someone for potential profit it’s not called griefing. So by adding a “pay me” clause CCP gave it their stamp of approval. Greifing is allowed, harassment is not. So following someone after they keep moving all around new eden just to gank them, is not allowed. But just simply ganking them once or twice, in the same system, is okay, even if you dont ask for a dime. ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/193 "2020-06-28T22:17:26Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > (Anyone: What is the collective noun for a group of carebears?) 🤔 An [Embrace](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/embrace)? > [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > So you admit that CODE did try to get players they didn’t like to leave the game. Consequences and permanent loss are an intrinsic part of this game. If someone is throwing out accusations of sociopathy and sadism, or even making **death threats** because someone blew up their digital spaceship, then they shouldn’t be playing _EvE_. > [@Magnus\_Carta](#): > > And that is the part I like about CODE, as CCP took the tools away from us to do it in any other way. What were those tools? > [@Magnus\_Carta](#): > > If you keep toying with someone for “no real reason” it’s called griefing, if you toy with someone for potential profit it’s not called griefing. So by adding a “pay me” clause CCP gave it their stamp of approval. > > CCP, making one dumb decision after another. How is that dumb, though? Piracy and extortion are supposed to be part of _EvE_. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/194 "2020-06-28T22:27:52Z")
> [@Aesir\_Valtari](#): > > Just because you say they can’t do that it doesn’t mean they are not doing this. CODE does not have enough supervisors to constantly check if people with purchased permit obey permit rules. On daily basis I see mining players who are clearly AFK for prolonged period of time, and who have that formula about permit in their bio. Apparently they don’t care about permit terms and rules… I wonder why? Hmm… it’s probably better for CODE business to grab that 10 mln ISK and don’t dwell too deep, what those guys with permit do later. If you inform your local agent about them, they will gladly come in and gank and kill them and revoke their permit. The thing is, yes, we are not everyone and cannot be everywhere in hisec. No one said we are. Just like the Police arent everywhere, all the time, in society. But if you call the police, they come, and if the police see a crime in progress, they will intervene. > [@Aesir\_Valtari](#): > > These are such broad criteria that anyone can be ganked. And zkillboard confirms that. Anyone who has reason to be ganked, sure. Nothing wrong with that. > [@Aesir\_Valtari](#): > > Man, how noble and knightly on your part. This picture sums up pretty good your attitude. Thanks. Dont forget, this is a video game, not real life. > [@Aesir\_Valtari](#): > > I agree, and that’s one positive thing about ganking. But i’m not necessarily convinced that this has to happen in high-sec and to rookies. That’s all. Of course it has to happen in hisec, and to rookies. Players who are in low or nullsec, already have the mentality to go out into the void and face dangers unseen. They dont need the Code to remind them of the harshness of EVE, because they are already in an environment where everyone else around you will remind you of it. Players who are new, are the best players to gank. It teaches them early on about EVE, preventing them from wasting money or time on a game that they may never like. Its a small kill, so it isnt hard to replace or get a new one, as ventures are one of the most ganked mining ships, and yet they are handed out for free. It has the added bonus of fighting bots, as Ventures are also one of the most used mining ships for botters. It helps with player retention. There are so many reasons why its better to gank a new player. > [@Aesir\_Valtari](#): > > That’s highly unconventional way to encourage people to join corporation, I’ll have to admit. Almost like utilizing Stockholm syndrome. There is nothing wrong with joining a corp or group that is better than you. > [@Aesir\_Valtari](#): > > Avoiding being targeted by gankers is not the same as fighting back gankers. Why? Whats the differentiation here? > [@Aesir\_Valtari](#): > > But again, by checking zkillboard, all what I see in like 90% kill reports is just some guys in mediocre, or even pauper fits, who get ganked just because they were in wrong place, in wrong time. And they happen to fly a ship that was costly enough to made gank slightly profitable. Code doesnt really gank for profit. If you take a look at 20, 30 of the most recent ganks, most of them are completely not-for-profit. We dont gank retreivers and miners to make ISK. > [@Aesir\_Valtari](#): > > You know, in past I thought that CODE is a desired group operating in high-sec, thanks to their strict rules about ganking. CODE was doing decent job, fighting afk miners. But nowadays? I have the impression that for most gankers affiliated with CODE, CODE and it’s codex is just a hollow idea. Now it’s full of opportunists looking for opportunities to make insane money in high-sec, while giving a heck about foundations laid down by James 315. Which is sad. What??? Most of us arent making insane money in hisec. Let me take the last 15 kills on Zkillboard for you, at the current time of writing, on 18:21 EDT, June 28 2020: > **[Retriever | Lord Osama3rd Hita | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85262925/)** > > Lord Osama3rd Hita (Xen Investments) lost their Retriever in Liekuri (The Forge). Final Blow by Ebb Eto (Big Willies PVP Madness) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 36,799,656.13 ISK No profit > **[Procurer | Farrhan | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85262401/)** > > Farrhan (Sons of Hiram) lost their Procurer in Isanamo (Lonetrek). Final Blow by GankzPewPew McGankFace (Bongwater Tsunami) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 33,216,914.67 ISK No profit > **[Hulk | Aralen Ichosira | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85262357/)** > > Aralen Ichosira (Eclipse Phase Mining) lost their Hulk in Vahunomi (The Forge). Final Blow by Ulianov (New Order Logistics) flying solo in a Catalyst. Total Value: 297,855,926.38 ISK No profit > **[Tengu | Kachiyuri Takumanei | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85261526/)** > > Kachiyuri Takumanei (Arasaka Consolidated) lost their Tengu in Isanamo (Lonetrek). Final Blow by Ivanna GanksChu (Big Willies PVP Madness) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 713,178,967.73 ISK Barely any profit > **[Retriever | Nevenko Antollare | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85260655/)** > > Nevenko Antollare (Pandemic Horde High Sec Division) lost their Retriever in Korsiki (The Forge). Final Blow by Ulianov (New Order Logistics) flying solo in a Catalyst. Total Value: 41,873,117.04 ISK No profit > **[Covetor | Percedal Sadlygrove | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85260605/)** > > Percedal Sadlygrove (School of Applied Knowledge) lost their Covetor in Vaankalen (The Forge). Final Blow by Kirigi (The Conference Elite) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 42,759,103.19 ISK No profit > **[Ishtar | noob Mabata | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85260273/)** > > noob Mabata (Science and Trade Institute) lost their Ishtar in Isanamo (Lonetrek). Final Blow by GankzPoon McGankFace (Bongwater Tsunami) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 410,340,486.76 ISK Barely any profit > **[Covetor | GALLENTE CITIZEN 16201010 | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85259840/)** > > GALLENTE CITIZEN 16201010 (The Scope) lost their Covetor in Otela (The Forge). Final Blow by Gay Pride BOOOOOM (New Order Logistics) flying solo in a Catalyst. Total Value: 36,985,486.68 ISK No profit > **[Praxis | DrobnyPL | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85259595/)** > > DrobnyPL (Zaklad Utylizacj Szmalu) lost their Praxis in Isanamo (Lonetrek). Final Blow by Ivanna GanksChu (Big Willies PVP Madness) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 574,640,275.12 ISK Barely any profit > **[Cheetah | Ravolf Ravolf | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85259515/)** > > Ravolf Ravolf (Black Betty Inc) lost their Cheetah in Niarja (Domain). Final Blow by Empire Ganking Alt (New Order Logistics) flying solo in a Catalyst. Total Value: 47,320,329.61 ISK Barely any profit > **[Covetor | EDR004 Arthie | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85259324/)** > > EDR004 Arthie (The Scope) lost their Covetor in Maurasi (The Forge). Final Blow by Koiji (The Conference Elite) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 37,804,627.01 ISK No profit > **[Retriever | Zork Toralen | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85258691/)** > > Zork Toralen (Deep Core Mining Inc.) lost their Retriever in Itamo (The Forge). Final Blow by Kirigi (The Conference Elite) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 29,440,581.13 ISK No profit > **[Gila | Bishat Kose Pserad | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85257748/)** > > Bishat Kose Pserad (Royal Amarr Institute) lost their Gila in Isanamo (Lonetrek). Final Blow by Gankzter McGankFace (Big Willies PVP Madness) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 259,473,086.47 ISK No profit > **[Moa | Noomi Cley | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85257447/)** > > Noomi Cley (Student Council) lost their Moa in Isanamo (Lonetrek). Final Blow by Gankzie McGankFace (Big Willies PVP Madness) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 12,595,203.89 ISK No profit > **[Covetor | GALLENTE CITIZEN 16201010 | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85257401/)** > > GALLENTE CITIZEN 16201010 (The Scope) lost their Covetor in Otela (The Forge). Final Blow by Gay Pride BOOOOOM (New Order Logistics) flying solo in a Catalyst. Total Value: 36,361,900.00 ISK No profit So out of the last 15 kills, only 4 gave barely any profit. Code isnt in this to make tons and tons of ISK. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/195 "2020-06-28T22:30:20Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Maybe Aesir should start his own forum. He could moderate it properly The only person he would be moderating is himself. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/196 "2020-06-28T22:31:15Z")
Yet another benefit for everybody. ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/197 "2020-06-28T22:43:51Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Highsec ganking is satisfying on its own - there is a lot of planning that goes into it. This is in contrast to everywhere else where PVP is chaotic and unpredictable. > > The fact that every once in a while you get somebody who goes crazy about losing a $5 internet spaceship? That is just a bonus to be savored. Fair enough. I’ve noticed that the complaining I see in local has started to jade me, and I was wondering if it was a defense mechanism in response to the constant hate being spewed your way. > [@Aesir\_Valtari](#): > > Man, how noble and knightly on your part. This picture sums up pretty good your attitude. > > ![unnamed](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/8/28ca149b80efbb77d5c76cdc22bc4425f580a5be.jpeg) Except CODE. aren’t **actually** murdering, maiming, or brutalizing anyone. No one is being sent to the hospital. They are not the kind of scum who beat and torture people IRL. In _EvE_, PvP encounters can happen without the slightest warning, anywhere, at any time, for any reason. CODE. are not bullies, they are **obstacles** , and like all obstacles in this game you must improvise and adapt in order to overcome them. Screaming at them to leave you alone is just as likely to work as it is with the Serpentis dreadnoughts that spawn in the moon belts at NSC. > [@Aesir\_Valtari](#): > > You know, in past I thought that CODE is a desired group operating in high-sec, thanks to their strict rules about ganking. CODE was doing decent job, fighting afk miners. But nowadays? I have the impression that for most gankers affiliated with CODE, CODE and it’s codex is just a hollow idea. Now it’s full of opportunists looking for opportunities to make insane money in high-sec, while giving a heck about foundations laid down by James 315. Which is sad. This, right here? This is a legitimate criticism to make. I have no idea if it’s true or not > [@Aesir\_Valtari](#): > > Furthermore, by checking your forum activity, I’m at this point convicted that trolling and flaming is actually all what you do on EVE forum. No constructive contribution to the discussions from you in several topics, just insults and provocations. I think I’ve seen him respond positively to something once… **Once**. > [@Aesir\_Valtari](#): > > The indifference of forum moderators to your behaviour is puzzling me. The rules on this forum are very loose, but I don’t think Nicolai is a troll. He’s just very negative. > [@z0ra\_Berg](#): > > Indeed. [_squints at the thumbnail_] @Pix_Severus Anyone ever told you that your blog avatar looks like a psychic mastermind? It’s got the same creepy-cool vibe I’d expect from one. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Of course it has to happen in hisec, and to rookies. > > Players who are in low or nullsec, already have the mentality to go out into the void and face dangers unseen. They dont need the Code to remind them of the harshness of EVE, because they are already in an environment where everyone else around you will remind you of it. > > Players who are new, are the best players to gank. It teaches them early on about EVE, preventing them from wasting money or time on a game that they may never like. Its a small kill, so it isnt hard to replace or get a new one, as ventures are one of the most ganked mining ships, and yet they are handed out for free. It has the added bonus of fighting bots, as Ventures are also one of the most used mining ships for botters. It helps with player retention. > > There are so many reasons why its better to gank a new player. Okay, that’s actually a solid argument. When you message the player afterward, are you in-character as an “Agent of the New Order” or do you just explain the facts of life to them (and maybe send them a couple of million ISK)? ---
**Author:** ![Magnus\_Carta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/magnus_carta/32/210653_2.png) [@Magnus\_Carta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Magnus_Carta)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/198 "2020-06-28T23:37:41Z")
> [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > What were those tools? Being able to wardec without restrictions, at least not the restrictions we have now. Having the old online indicator allowed for precise wardeccing instead of blanket carpet bombing like PIRAT does. Those two things allowed for smaller, even solo, wardeccing of single corps or alliances. Then they changed all that and forced wardeccers into impersonal blobs deccing random groups and the more restraints CCP applied the bigger and more impersonal deccing groups were forced to become. And as it all had gotten out of hand (through CCP’s own choices and changes) they did the draconian stuff we have now, it could have been done so much better: more elegant and effective. But Alas: CCP doesn’t know their own game and the CSM didn’t care other than getting rid of wardecs. > [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > How is that dumb, though? Piracy and extortion are supposed to be part of _EvE_ . I worded it wrong, or rather I meant it differently from how it came out. To me there IS no “griefing” in a pvp sandbox so we shouldn’t NEED a “if you demand payment it’s now a business model and no longer seen as griefing”. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/199 "2020-06-28T23:37:49Z")
I have sent people isk after a gank - but it is very rare. There are a few players that have a good attitude about the process, but most go straight back to mining. As for CODE. being full of opportunists, or whatever: it is a diverse group. There are guys like Lewak and Aaaarrgg that are pure Code enforcers, through and through. There are a lot of other characters that enforce the Code according to their own personal vision. We have elite multi-boxing freighter gankers, we also have experts at baiting macho mission runners, and we have people that are more “meta” - focusing on scams and grifts that teach Eve players to **think** rather than shuffling along, half-asleep in a fog of entitlement. Everyone is united in a love of James 315 and a belief in The Code. Remember, highsec is worth fighting for. ---
**Author:** ![Magnus\_Carta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/magnus_carta/32/210653_2.png) [@Magnus\_Carta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Magnus_Carta)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/200 "2020-06-28T23:40:13Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > have sent people isk after a gank - but it is very rare. I caught someone in low sec, tackled him and decided to ransom him. Open convo, state the ransom amount and gave him 30 seconds. He responded in a way that didn’t really acknowledge he was going to pay or had paid, I didn’t see any wallet flashing so I blew him up. Turns out he did pay, just very late but technically still in time. So I paid him back double the ransom amount. It was peanuts anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/201 "2020-06-29T00:01:34Z")
> [@Magnus\_Carta](#): > > Being able to wardec without restrictions, at least not the restrictions we have now. Having the old online indicator allowed for precise wardeccing instead of blanket carpet bombing like PIRAT does. Those two things allowed for smaller, even solo, wardeccing of single corps or alliances. > > Then they changed all that and forced wardeccers into impersonal blobs deccing random groups and the more restraints CCP applied the bigger and more impersonal deccing groups became. And THEN CCP changed a bunch of stuff to try and remedy that while in reality it could have been done so much better, more elegant and effective. But Alas: CCP doesn’t know their own game and the CSM didn’t care other than getting rid of wardecs. Okay, could you direct me to someplace I could read about this in more detail? I get the feeling it’s a topic extensive enough that you wouldn’t be inclined to write thousands of words about it to educate me. > [@Magnus\_Carta](#): > > I worded it wrong, or rather I meant it differently from how it came out. To me there IS no “griefing” in a pvp sandbox so we shouldn’t NEED a “if you demand payment it’s now a business model and no longer seen as griefing”. This sounds like a reasonable point of view. I’m not sure if I agree or disagree, but I can understand why you see things that way. > [@Xeux](#): > > I have sent people isk after a gank - but it is very rare. There are a few players that have a good attitude about the process, but most go straight back to mining. > > As for CODE. being full of opportunists, or whatever: it is a diverse group. There are guys like Lewak and Aaarrrggh that are pure Code enforcers, through and through. There are a lot of other characters that enforce the Code according to their own personal vision. We have elite multi-boxing freighter gankers, we also have experts at baiting macho mission runners, and we have people that are more “meta” - focusing on scams and grifts that teach Eve players to **think** rather than shuffling along, half-asleep in a fog of entitlement. Everyone is united in a love of James 315 and a belief in The Code. Thanks for the explanation. I don’t see a reason to complain about CODE. being opportunists, anyway. Hell, with the way suicide ganking works I actually **expect** it! It’s not like an ideal target is **guaranteed** to present itself at any given moment; you’ve got to seize opportunities when they present themselves, no matter how rare or commonplace they are. > [@Xeux](#): > > Remember, highsec is worth fighting for. This is _EvE_; **everywhere** is worth fighting for! 😁 > [@Magnus\_Carta](#): > > I caught someone in low sec, tackled him and decided to ransom him. Open convo, state the ransom amount and gave him 30 seconds. He responded in a way that didn’t really acknowledge he was going to pay or had paid, I didn’t see any wallet flashing so I blew him up. Turns out he did pay, just very late but technically still in time. > > So I paid him back double the ransom amount. It was peanuts anyway. I like this. It’s **honorable** piracy. 😝 ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/202 "2020-06-29T00:02:01Z")
> [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > Okay, that’s actually a solid argument. When you message the player afterward, are you in-character as an “Agent of the New Order” or do you just explain the facts of life to them (and maybe send them a couple of million ISK)? I can do both, but generally I dont push too hard on the 10 million isk if i find out that they are genuinely new. You dont know how many people who claim to be new, but then turn around and say “HA im actually a 10 year old vet with 100 billion isk this loss means nothing to me” or “I used to be in Goon/PL/BL and i have powerful friends who are coming for you”. Yeah, those people arent new, and I treat them as such. As I said before, if they are genuinely new and have a good attitude or are actually interested in learning, I teach them and throw ISK at them. I also have an AG persona that i use as well, and i help out new players that way too. ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326/203 "2020-06-29T00:05:47Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > I can do both, but generally I dont push too hard on the 10 million isk if i find out that they are genuinely new. You dont know how many people who claim to be new, but then turn around and say “HA im actually a 10 year old vet with 100 billion isk this loss means nothing to me” or “I used to be in Goon/PL/BL and i have powerful friends who are coming for you”. Yeah, those people arent new, and I treat them as such. > > As I said before, if they are genuinely new and have a good attitude or are actually interested in learning, I teach them and throw ISK at them. > > I also have an AG persona that i use as well, and i help out new players that way too. Sounds fair to me! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-greatest-blog-in-eve-history-is-coming-to-a-close/251326.md?page=11)