# The Hunt for Komi Valentine is Over! **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** roleplay, pvp, csm\ **Created:** [May 13, 2020, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934 "2020-05-13T21:58:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Ember\_Fireheart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ember_fireheart/32/278556_2.png) [@Ember\_Fireheart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ember_Fireheart)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 4:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/267 "2020-05-20T04:30:19Z")
It’s just a character, glory and keeping your word is more important than a physical character nothing stopping her from gaining rep through this and making an alt and running as csm with the alt, we don’t know her background so to say she has no experience makes no sense. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 4:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/268 "2020-05-20T04:30:31Z")
> [@Ember\_Fireheart](#): > > I don’t think you quite realize the significance of all this thou. Komi has demonstrated the glory of perma death and how much it changes the game even thinking about it. > > I would biomass after extracting all 100mil sp of mine and donate it all to plex for good if CCP Rise made Hardcore characters with 30x training speed but had perma death :]. > > Imagine, bounties would actually mean something, like it does in this thread. > > I understand that you are white knighting, but at the same time you are diluting her honor. You’re a liar, you wouldn’t biomass your character and say give the bounty pool to PLEX FOR GOOD, stop trying to make yourself out to be a saint with that BS. Gawd, you haven’t even thought it out have you? You think players are going to stay here if CCP makes the characters have permanent death? You’re going to lose all your assets, all your isk and all your skills with one podding and start all over again with a new character? Yeah, now I know your trolling. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 4:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/270 "2020-05-20T04:34:56Z")
I don’t care about Komi or about your main, what I care about is how this sets a precedent that will have huge ramifications on how future CSM elections are conducted. ---
**Author:** ![Ember\_Fireheart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ember_fireheart/32/278556_2.png) [@Ember\_Fireheart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ember_Fireheart)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 4:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/271 "2020-05-20T04:35:26Z")
This has nothing to do with CSM and more to do with her making a very hard to believe claim that people are following up on. This much should be obv. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 4:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/272 "2020-05-20T04:35:47Z")
> [@Ember\_Fireheart](#): > > This has nothing to do with CSM and more to do with her making a very hard to believe claim that people are following up on. This much should be obv. pretty much this ---
**Author:** ![Ember\_Fireheart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ember_fireheart/32/278556_2.png) [@Ember\_Fireheart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ember_Fireheart)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 4:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/273 "2020-05-20T04:38:58Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Gawd, you haven’t even thought it out have you? You think players are going to stay here if CCP makes the characters have permanent death? You’re going to lose all your assets, all your isk and all your skills with one podding and start all over again with a new character? Also I don’t mean all characters, I mean have the hardcore option in the character creation page so you can make a hardcore char on the side with your normal char as the main really man. All I hear from you is anger and frustration. Komi is probably having a blast, how many games make you feel this much emotion while playing? ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 4:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/274 "2020-05-20T04:46:26Z")
Ah, kinda like Diablo series has Softcore and Hardcore characters… ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 4:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/275 "2020-05-20T04:46:34Z")
And who the hell are you to try to force a CSM candidate to follow through on their campaign promises?They all make promises and rarely any of them ever keep them. One thing is for sure, they’re not being stalked, harassed or griefed in-game in an attempt to intimate and coerce them into resigning from running for CSM. This thread is nothing more than a hate thread sponsoring grief play against that character. And all I hear form you is nothing but trollass remarks and if you want to make this personal, so be it. ---
**Author:** ![Ember\_Fireheart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ember_fireheart/32/278556_2.png) [@Ember\_Fireheart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ember_Fireheart)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 4:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/276 "2020-05-20T04:55:11Z")
You are blowing it way out of proportion, this is eve online if they kill komi and she sais lol I’m not dumb enough to biomass no one would actually truelly have a problem with it and no one can stop her from running for CSM either. If she did biomass thou after being podded then all of a sudden she becomes legendary status so its really up to her. You have the most hate speech in this entire thread, go reread everything carefully sure there are some dumb asses but most people are actually just curious to see if she will follow through with her claims. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 5:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/277 "2020-05-20T05:01:03Z")
And you constantly trying to sweep the main issue under the rug just tells me you’re a troll. ---
**Author:** ![Ember\_Fireheart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ember_fireheart/32/278556_2.png) [@Ember\_Fireheart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ember_Fireheart)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 5:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/278 "2020-05-20T05:02:43Z")
and you’re just a drama queen, if this was happening in real life then yes absolutely it would be a problem but this is a ■■■■■■■ game about deception betrayal and max drama. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 5:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/279 "2020-05-20T05:04:48Z")
Hey my friend, I understand your passion for this. But you are angry right now, and frustrated. Go take a break and do something else for a bit. Focus on something positive and find some peace of mind. Just my 2 bits. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 5:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/280 "2020-05-20T05:10:24Z")
It takes two to Tango… …and I’ve just started to dance… I’m not angry but I definitely won’t take crap from a damn troll who refuses to see the precedent this sets for future CSM elections. Anyway, they made this personal so I’ll conduct my own campaign now, ---
**Author:** ![Ember\_Fireheart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ember_fireheart/32/278556_2.png) [@Ember\_Fireheart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ember_Fireheart)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 5:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/281 "2020-05-20T05:11:23Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > I’m not angry but I definitely won’t take crap from a damn troll who refuses to see the precedent this sets for future CSM elections. Except CCP never has and never will change how they do CSM they have always done it there way and always will. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 5:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/282 "2020-05-20T05:12:41Z")
Guess you’ve been gone for a while now, they just released changes to how CSM is conducted and they also stated more changes will be enacted in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Ember\_Fireheart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ember_fireheart/32/278556_2.png) [@Ember\_Fireheart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ember_Fireheart)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/283 "2020-05-20T05:13:25Z")
Yea about a year, I’ll go check pretty hard to believe. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 5:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/284 "2020-05-20T05:16:54Z")
> **[CSM 15 - All You Need to Know! | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/article/q95kuc/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know)** > > CSM 15 elections are just around the corner! ---
**Author:** ![Ember\_Fireheart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ember_fireheart/32/278556_2.png) [@Ember\_Fireheart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ember_Fireheart)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/285 "2020-05-20T05:26:52Z")
Interesting: “Your account must be older than 60 days at the time candidacy applications close.” “If you are running as an “alt” and you control a character that has a reputation in the EVE universe, CCP may require you to run under that identity at its full discretion.” “may” If she speaks to CCP first then I’m sure there will be np. I don’t think CCP has ever thought of a situation like this and planned their rules around it. ---
**Author:** ![Komi\_Valentine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/komi_valentine/32/502956_2.png) [@Komi\_Valentine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Komi_Valentine)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/286 "2020-05-20T08:40:05Z")
Don’t blame YOUR actions on me! This is irresponsible! I have agreed to a private interview with Mr Archer and I hope we can solve this conflict. ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/287 "2020-05-20T10:18:01Z")
> _ **I kindly ask everyone to suspend The Hunt until further notice. I’ll update the original post.** _ So many good points have been raised - this has become quite a productive conversation! So a few points I would like to address. _The points are not addressed toward or in response to any particular statement or person_: - On “preventing Komi from running for CSM”: - Komi indicated prior to and very explicitly during the election via interview she would biomass if podded, so this is basically an open invitation to all of New Eden to test this commitment. It would be absurd for CCP to step in and say “hey guys you can’t band together to try to pod Komi” when, bounty or not, she knowingly and unambiguously painted a target on her own back. Can you imagine the outrage if CCP tried to prevent or punish the community from podding someone who self-imposed a biomass rule on themselves? Private hunters and Discords would be chattering about testing this even if there was no bounty just to see if it would happen. - The NDA indicates OOC Komi the player is running, so unless Komi voluntarily chooses to drop out due to “dying” before being elected (a self-imposed limitation), there’s nothing we can do to stop a hypothetical election. I think pretty much everyone knows that by now, so the hunt is more along the lines of biomassing on a standalone basis. - Consider all of the possible, very similar behaviors which are permitted in EVE that provide grounds for a coordinated bounty _operating within reasonable parameters_: - Constant wardecs and ganks, including those operating on the basis of extortion: “we will continue to wardec/gank you unless X occurs” or “we will continue to wardec/gank you because you don’t like you” - why would CSM candidacy or CSM membership pose an exception to this rule? In real life, if a candidate runs who you vehemently oppose, then you launch a campaign against them (I opened this thread to keep Komi’s thread clear), except that here we have the opportunity to constantly attack their ships, pods, POSes, and “kill them” RP-wise, and this _ **by itself** _ is not considered griefing in violation of CCP’s policies. - There is already both a Bounty and a Locator Agent mechanic in game, so CCP already has set a precedent such that bounty hunting, especially against large bounty targets, is already a thing - and one they encourage. The existing bounty mechanic kind of sucks and could use some love, so having some versatility via forums - although not enforceable via game mechanics - makes the bounty hunting profession more exciting and worthwhile. To better regulate player conduct on forums, in-game, and out-of-game (CCP enforces behaviors out-of-game per policies), they could have a Bounty Hunting subforum where policies are pinned to make it very clear what is and is not acceptable behavior to prevent lines from being crossed. (Or they could add a “Bounty Hunting Policy” pin to the existing Crime & Punishment subforum, whatever.) I’ll issue this as a feature request at a later point in time when things settle down. - One potential issue demonstrated raised by The Hunt isn’t so much whether or not it is acceptable for it to have been initiated and followed through, but the manner and extent to which it has been executed. - At what point does “this is EVE” turn into outright harassment? CCP already declares that constant wardecs and ganks (outside of Rookie Griefing), for example, are acceptable behaviors, so why - _when conducted within certain parameters_ - wouldn’t coordinated non-stop hunting be? - Without question, players should never engage in behaviors such as making racist or sexist remarks, barraging with private messages in or out of game, etc. - _ **if you are currently doing this, cut the crap.** _ - A smear campaign is also unacceptable behavior. Does this make me a hypocrite? On this I defend _ **myself** _ (I will not speak for others): a thorough evaluation of _ **my** _ statements on Komi’s thread indicates they have been grounded on inquiry and constructive criticism - any degeneration into frustration and mockery near the end and ultimately on this one was merited (in my opinion) by the absurdity of the established dialogue. Harsh criticism has not arisen from disagreement, but from non-existence of substance or merits even from which to disagree on anything despite NUMEROUS opportunities to enumerate points of substance and merits, and from only RP as a vehicle on which to operate on. [As stated previously](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/11-650m-isk-500-plex-growing-bounty-pool-direct-pay-to-pod-komi-valentine-regardless-of-implants-to-eliminate-her-from-running-for-csm-and-permanently-eliminate-her-existence/240934/35), I am not anti-RP; I am actually very pro-RP and even recently submitted RP-feature requests [here](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rp-enhancement-add-world-news-and-isd-articles-to-articles-webpage-ie-launcher-news-consolidate-articles-and-news-channels-webpages/241960) and [here](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rp-enhancement-include-character-ancestry-description-in-character-window-description-tab/241202/), but I find it completely inappropriate to run entirely on an RP basis when the RP character itself is unqualified to run. I’ve already stated I’ve engaged in diplomacy with Komi - I’m not going to get into details as to what the diplomacy is or why I’ve engaged in it until the efforts have concluded for better or worse. _(Note: the above commentary is written from a “pre-diplomacy/non-diplomacy” perspective.)_ > _ **I kindly ask everyone to suspend The Hunt until further notice. I’ll update the original post.** _ [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934.md?page=15)