# The Hypocrisy Of The 'I Hate PvP' Miners **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 28, 2026, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486 "2026-07-28T12:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/184 "2026-08-02T11:24:07Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > Exactly what i say…no change is stagnation…being proud of 26 years doing the same is not only wrong by a tactical standard. Utter nonsense. Nobody changes things _just for the sake of it_, under some misguided delusion that ‘change is good’. Neither do sensible companies make major changes in the vague expectation of more profit, when they already are making a profit. The old tale of the goose that laid the golden egg is very appropriate. There’s no guarantee that changes are going to create sustainable extra profit, because nobody really knows how customers are going to respond. For example, making EVE more safe might seem to attract more people…but making EVE safer also makes it more boring, which will deter some people. And its not simply a matter of percentage value of each, because they are not independent but intersubjective. You keep citing some ‘25%’ who are the only ones who do PvP. But they are _also_ the ones that do the very destruction that keeps the EVE economy going…and without whom mining and trading become pointless as value is based on scarcity. Forgetting that is how one kills the goose and has no more golden eggs. I cite Eve Echoes as Exhibit A. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/185 "2026-08-02T11:32:31Z")
He’s almost certainly using a really narrow definition of PvP too - one that only involves the unscheduled disassembly of ships. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/186 "2026-08-02T11:41:23Z")
Indeed. Think of all the ore that a miner is missing out on because someone else’s Orca is sucking up the entire belt. That ore has a value every bit as much as any ship blown up. It is every bit as much PvP. When’s the last time we had a ‘Someone Else’s Orca Is Stealing My Belt !’ thread ranting about asteroid PvP ? ( actually I have once seen such a thread, quite a long time ago ) ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/187 "2026-08-02T23:22:04Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > More is not needed Because you have nothing to add in any way, shape, manor or form. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2026, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/188 "2026-08-03T02:55:56Z")
I didn’t think Orcas really “sucked up” much. ---
**Author:** ![Christine\_Creed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/christine_creed/32/510186_2.png) [@Christine\_Creed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Christine_Creed)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2026, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/189 "2026-08-03T08:52:53Z")
Thats just a figure of speech. I think the example given is based on that everything in the game has a pvp basis behind it. I agree with the description. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2026, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/190 "2026-08-04T12:03:47Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > nothing of what you said is problematic…not even to the slightest… I mean, coming from you, obviously it goes without saying. ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2026, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/191 "2026-08-04T13:48:29Z")
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**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2026, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/192 "2026-08-04T16:38:38Z")
totaltrue ? ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2026, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/193 "2026-08-05T07:18:59Z")
> [@boernl](#): > > why cant ppl like to gather resources and sell/build with em > but have absolutly no itnerest in pvp Because miners are not mining fluffy bunnies in space. They are mining the core materials that facilitate the creation of combat ships. You can’t run a munitions factory and claim that war has nothing to do with you. You can’t mine the very materials that make a Catalyst and then express outrage when half a dozen of them show up and destroy you. It is actually quite poetic karma ! ---
**Author:** ![Lucy\_Alfrir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucy_alfrir/32/382506_2.png) [@Lucy\_Alfrir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucy_Alfrir)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2026, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/196 "2026-08-06T11:12:55Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > citing some ‘25%’ who are the only ones who do PvP AIUI this is the percentage of people who answered a CCP survey and answered the question Do you play EvE for: - The PvP - Both PvP and PvE - Just PvE - Ship Spinning as “The PvP”. Without the other values and some idea of the number and spread of participants in the survey it is, of course, entirely meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2026, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/197 "2026-08-06T17:54:58Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > mystical Yeah, how to defend you and friends you need to have a ganker mind to know how they will attack… it’s a hard thing to learn, alone, almost impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2026, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/198 "2026-08-06T18:06:38Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > you need to have a ganker mind to know how they will attack… Ah, to gank properly you have to do the ‘Monad call’ to James315 and his progeny and then raise the Archonic vibrations inherent within all Catalysts to 410mhz whilst reciting ‘I am the Walrus’ backwards. My NDA with Safety prevents me elucidating further. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2026, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/199 "2026-08-06T18:25:08Z")
Du-duppi-Duat 392F#Hz Pa-dul-ah’ my highest possible reach. ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2026, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/210 "2026-08-08T03:01:10Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > ‘I just want to chill in space’ Botters wish ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Drew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_drew/32/395254_2.png) [@ISD\_Drew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Drew)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2026, 4:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/211 "2026-08-08T04:45:08Z")
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**Author:** ![Malcoy\_Tweedhouse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcoy_tweedhouse/32/515656_2.png) [@Malcoy\_Tweedhouse](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malcoy_Tweedhouse)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2026, 8:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/212 "2026-08-15T08:16:06Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Well that just shows you’ve missed the entire point of this thread. No, the PvP and other combat is not some fancy ‘add on’ to a mining game. and this is the defining paragraph of this game from the Wikipedia ( Internet’s Encyclopedia ) > Eve Online (stylised EVE Online) is a space-based, persistent-world massively-multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) developed and published by Fenris Creations. Players of Eve Online can participate in a number of in-game professions and activities, including mining, piracy, manufacturing, trading, exploration, and combat (both player versus environment (PVE) and player versus player (PVP)). The game contains a total of 7,800 star systems that can be visited by players. Take note of the description, how PVP comes in there dead last? Almost as an after thought. I imagine according your train of thought it was written by some filthy miner? I guess none of this really matters anymore, you and others I have spoken with in game and on these forums have been very convincing with your “maybe this isn’t the game for you” okay I somewhat agree. I am folding up my PI farms and my omega runs dry and I won’t buy in September. I was spending too much on my game budget anyway and this is where I trim the fat. This is not where I rage quit, I will be back to spend this isk I made on ships, I can and will sell those omega only items off and give away. If I can use the isk I make to get plex, then my omega will get paid by some other sucker. Be proud, you have opened my eyes, and made me a FREE to play EVE Online player. Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2026, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/213 "2026-08-15T09:00:04Z")
> [@Malcoy\_Tweedhouse](#): > > Take note of the description, how PVP comes in there dead last? Almost as an after thought. I imagine according your train of thought it was written by some filthy miner? Oh for God’s sake…_without_ PvP moving the EVE economy by generating the NEED for new materials, etc, all of those other things are meaningless. PvP is the engine that drives EVE. What kind of utter hypocrisy is it that allows you to run PI farms whilst decrying the very thing that makes such activity meaningful and economically viable ? Your industry _relies_ on destruction…at the very same time as you seek to portray it as an ‘afterthought’. Hypocrisy would seem to know no bounds in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2026, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/214 "2026-08-15T10:04:25Z")
> [@Malcoy\_Tweedhouse](#): > > Take note of the description, how PVP comes in there dead last? Almost as an after thought. Why would you make the assumption that whatever is mentioned last is also least important? Would this mean piracy is more important than PvE? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2026, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/215 "2026-08-15T12:31:02Z")
Mining was mentioned first, and pvp mentioned last, so this must be a mining game and very little pvp. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486.md?page=11)