# The Hypocrisy Of The 'I Hate PvP' Miners **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 28, 2026, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486 "2026-07-28T12:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/41 "2026-07-29T09:15:35Z")
> [@Christine\_Creed](#): > > I know for a fact that im an accessory to many fallen ships and pods…you are an accessory to many fallen ships and pods. You have to be. Without us, nothing will be rebuilt, no ships, no structures, nothing. Yeah…its kind like the getaway driver of a bank robbery claiming ’ Hey…I don’t rob banks, I just chill out in a car outside '. The whole ‘nothing to do with me’ thing has been allowed to perpetuate and I see it often on the in-game chat rooms from miners who don’t grasp that they probably mined the very ore that made the ships that destroyed them. ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/42 "2026-07-29T11:08:19Z")
How long call you sell a mining permit and kill them afterwards with another account until they say no? Cutting your own flesh pt. 2… ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/43 "2026-07-29T11:10:51Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > That’s just a complete denial of reality. The value of ore is maintained by supply and demand. Only if isk is the miners goal…so many of them just want to chill after work without purpose. You would say they could do this from inside a station too…but at least SOME form of activity is valid… 🙂 THIS is what pvp people do not get…that people exist that don’t NEED the adrenaline rush… The equivalent of a adrenaline rush miner is one that does it in low…the rest just wants to be left alone… I’m sorry but you have to understand that your approach to the game has ever been a 25% minority…the last devs just spoiled it for years…the current ones correct this big failure…and negate your privilege. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/44 "2026-07-29T11:16:04Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > How long call you sell a mining permit I’ve been shaking this stick for years, and it’s never failed me. ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/45 "2026-07-29T11:18:09Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I’ve been shaking this stick for years, and it’s never failed me. Wait a couple of months to the moment exordium is all over high… 🙂 But don’t bother me with your ragequit rants 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mitsu\_Miu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mitsu_miu/32/414469_2.png) [@Mitsu\_Miu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mitsu_Miu)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/46 "2026-07-29T11:18:30Z")
“no windows, no updates needed” -Leibniz, ca. 1680 ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/47 "2026-07-29T11:23:01Z")
Change means improvement, no change at all is stagnation. You want to play a stagnating game? Well you are alone with this opinion… ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/48 "2026-07-29T11:47:35Z")
I don’t hate miners. It’s kind of a thankless job in EVE, if we’re being honest. It’s gotten a **lot** better with numerous changes, activities and new mining ships. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/49 "2026-07-29T12:04:39Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > a couple of months Ok, that’s the second time you’ve said this… ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/50 "2026-07-29T12:11:28Z")
> [@Christine\_Creed](#): > > Back in the day when we would get wardeced on a regular basis, i would always lose the ship first…then get a message from my killers. They would always try to share their knowledge to me about what i did wrong, what i did right…how to get better. But…they always popped me first, then talked to me. 😃 > > I think i met more great folks during wardecs than i did doing anything else. I never improved in pvp…but i met a ton of good folks. I bet over half my friends list are people that i met during wardecs. Great times those were. > > Uta should try making friends this way…he might just change his whole mindset on the whole pvp thing. Well, there was a time when the internet was still seen by us millennials as just a massively SOCIAL interaction first. It then became META and a personal space to live and cozy up in, permanently. As such, people like Uta are an example to this cushioned, safe, ideal and permanent meta-environment they aspire to live in. They take it « that » seriously… ---
**Author:** ![Christine\_Creed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/christine_creed/32/510186_2.png) [@Christine\_Creed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Christine_Creed)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/51 "2026-07-29T12:24:32Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > the current ones correct this big failure…and negate your privilege. What are they correcting? Please elaborate more on your fantasized opinions because i dont recall any dev stating they were going to change what you think they may be correcting. Really, how long are you going to play this long winded charade. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/52 "2026-07-29T14:52:51Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > Wait a couple of months You said this a few months ago already, and will likely say it come September. “Just a couple of months” until we hear another couple of months. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/53 "2026-07-29T15:24:44Z")
That will never happen. Their intentions are very clear and they didn’t made even the slightest statement that they plan to increase “safety” in general HighSec or even think HS has any major problem that needs to be adressed. Their goal was to offer totally new players an area to learn the absolute basics and get into contact with other players before they could be driven away by others tricking them into aggression or outright ganking them just for the lulz. And Exordium achieves exactly that. ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/54 "2026-07-29T15:38:57Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Ok, that’s the second time you’ve said this… No… That’s the first time i said this…last time it was YOUR creation to devalue me which failed gloriously… ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/55 "2026-07-29T15:39:30Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > That will never happen. Their intentions are very clear and they didn’t made even the slightest statement that they plan to increase “safety” in general HighSec or even think HS has any major problem that needs to be adressed. > > Their goal was to offer totally new players an area to learn the absolute basics and get into contact with other players before they could be driven away by others tricking them into aggression or outright ganking them just for the lulz. And Exordium achieves exactly that. Because what should not be cannot be? ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/56 "2026-07-29T15:42:25Z")
> [@Christine\_Creed](#): > > What are they correcting? > > Please elaborate more on your fantasized opinions because i dont recall any dev stating they were going to change what you think they may be correcting. > > Really, how long are you going to play this long winded charade. Because pvp was spoiled and pampered with basicly every patch for the last TWENTY years… No wonder you bite at everyone that says it will end…you are so used to be cheated by the devs that you see it as some kind of birthright to be pampered and ANY change is some kind of blasphemic act… But it WILL end regardless what you say or how much you complain during whining how UNFAIR all of this is while acting like a 10 year old kid… Have a happy ragequit… ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/57 "2026-07-29T15:46:35Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > Because what should not be cannot be? No, because it makes no sense to do and we don’t have the slightest evidence in favour of your claims. I mean, you basically claim just because a store owner that suffers from repeated theft installs a security camera, “soon everyone wanting to go into his shop needs to show an ID, gets searched and has to strip naked in front of 3 security guards”. Simply doesn’t make any sense to believe that claim would be true. Same with yours. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/58 "2026-07-29T15:48:50Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > But it WILL end regardless what you say or how much you complain during whining how UNFAIR all of this is while acting like a 10 year old kid… > > Have a happy ragequit… And what will _you_ do if the game you are crying about does not get the radical changes needed for it to fit your idea of fun? ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/59 "2026-07-29T15:53:08Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > Only if isk is the miners goal…so many of them just want to chill after work without purpose. ’ Hey…why are you taking my chess pieces…I just want to chill out at a chess board’ ‘Hey, why are you arresting me for stopping and chilling out in the fast lane ?’ ‘Come into work ? Nah…I just want to chill at home’ ‘Oh look…here’s an excellent railway level crossing where I can just stop and chill’ ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/60 "2026-07-29T16:01:01Z")
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