# The Hypocrisy Of The 'I Hate PvP' Miners **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 28, 2026, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486 "2026-07-28T12:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/101 "2026-07-30T15:55:55Z")
It’s par for the course with them, take a look at the profiles and posts of the biomassed characters I listed - there’s a pattern. ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/102 "2026-07-30T16:07:43Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > And no, I didn’t need an AI to create those names, all of them are characters that have spouted the exact same rhetoric that you’re spouting now, you haven’t changed the script since 2018. All of them have been biomassed in the past, just as Uta Atmai will be in the future. Prove it or don’t state it…it’s the same you accuse me of…i don’t see ANY proof from you… I would call this double standards… And since when are some phrases not possible to be used by different persons? You look to me like a person that is despertately grabbing for straws because his arguments melt like butter in the sun… ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/103 "2026-07-30T16:13:25Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Nope…that is a complete lie. In fact not only have you not provided evidence for your claims…but others including myself have provided actual stats from CCP that prove your claims are wrong. It is by now quite apparent to everyone that you have zero interest in the actual facts but just want to endlessly rant a particular narrative that simply isn’t true. What you say is that your, and those of a handful of other persons that follow the same agenda like you, rants actually prove anything? Well…nope…that’s all that is to say about this…you just make up things that you hope nobody notices as made up…while trying to devalue my proven ones as faulty…that’s sad…and it does not work…even if your friends try to back you up and you do the same for them…sad try… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/104 "2026-07-30T16:20:05Z")
Challenge accepted. You’ll deny it all, but I’ll let others judge for themselves after they read your nonsense - Darlo’s profile is suspiciously empty, 1.1k posts according to the summary, none listed in the activity section. > **[@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika/activity/replies)** > **[@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar/activity)** > **[@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu/activity)** > **[@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/balos_tritapo/activity)** > **[@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hysan_tyrosur/activity)** > **[@Ari\_Kolapa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ari_kolapa/activity)** ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/105 "2026-07-30T16:21:45Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > Prove it or don’t state it…it’s the same you accuse me of…i don’t see ANY proof from you… He’s right. Anyone can look back at what you wrote before under those other names and how you wrote it. It’s pretty much identical. Not that Jonah needs to prove it, this information is public for anyone to verify if they want to, unlike all the statements you make but are ‘private DMs’ from ‘many other players’ and ‘developers leaking secrets’ to you. Illusions of grandeur. It’s quite ironic that you demand from others what you cannot supply yourself. Even if what you wrote was not nonsense, the way you write it already makes you the most untrustworthy person here. And repeatedly so under new ‘anonymous’ faces. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/106 "2026-07-30T16:22:06Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > Well…nope…that’s all that is to say about this…you just make up things that you hope nobody notices as made up…while trying to devalue my proven ones as faulty…that’s sad…and it does not work…even if your friends try to back you up and you do the same for them…sad try… Oh gawd…talk about projecting. The actual FACTS don’t need ‘backing up’. They are the facts. It is only people who feel the need to post the same nonsense again and again under a profusion of alts that have to keep ‘backing up’ their lies by pretending some new person has the same stance. ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/107 "2026-07-30T16:24:46Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Challenge accepted. You’ll deny it all, but I’ll let others judge for themselves after they read your nonsense - Darlo’s profile is suspiciously empty, 1.1k posts according to the summary, none listed in the activity section. Any proof here? All i see is a couple of names you made up. I bet those are all your own chars… ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/108 "2026-07-30T16:28:11Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > He’s right. Anyone can look back at what you wrote before under those other names and how you wrote it. It’s pretty much identical. > > Not that Jonah needs to prove it, this information is public for anyone to verify if they want to, unlike all the statements you make but are ‘private DMs’ from ‘many other players’ and ‘developers leaking secrets’ to you. Illusions of grandeur. > > It’s quite ironic that you demand from others what you cannot supply yourself. > > Even if what you wrote was not nonsense, the way you write it already makes you the most untrustworthy person here. And repeatedly so under new ‘anonymous’ faces. How desperate must you be if you actually post something like this… Obviously you bite at anything that does not fit your agenda… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/109 "2026-07-30T16:28:13Z")
Proof? No, that’s for alcohol - plenty of evidence to make inferences from though, solid ones at that. > [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > All i see is a couple of names you made up. > > I bet those are all your own chars… Which is it? I made them up? Or they’re my own characters, both can’t be true, and as a matter of fact neither is. The characters existed (the profiles are evidence of that), and they aren’t mine - I wouldn’t post the crap that they did, and you still do. ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/110 "2026-07-30T16:30:16Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Which is it? I made them up? Or they’re my own characters, both can’t be true, and as a matter of fact neither is, the characters used to exist, and they aren’t mine - I wouldn’t post the crap that they did, and you still do. You say those aren’t yours and we simply have to believe your word? Because you are a good person? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/111 "2026-07-30T16:34:10Z")
Who are you trying to convince, Uta? It’s pretty obvious that the person posting on an anonymous throwaway alt with exactly the same rhetoric, exactly same message and exactly same style as many previous anonymous throwaway alts that did the exact same thing on this forum is unlikely to be Jonah’s alt. When will you recycle this character? _Edit: whoever flagged this as off topic forgot to flag the equally off-topic post that I made this response to. Feel free to get rid of that post and then I may delete this myself._ ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/112 "2026-07-30T16:36:54Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Who are you trying to convince, Uta? > > It’s pretty obvious that the person posting on an anonymous throwaway alt with exactly the same rhetoric, exactly same message and exactly same style as many previous anonymous throwaway alts that did the same thing on this forum is unlikely to be Jonah’s alts. Convincing? Those are NOT my chars nor were they ever…i’m just reacting to this made up crap in which someone used his own chars as last made up call because he has no other choices left to devalue me because he runs out of valid statements…that’s what this is all about…a desperate try to win an argument… ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/114 "2026-07-30T16:47:39Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > a desperate try to win an argument Nobody telling you that you are talking nonsense is ‘arguing’. An argument is where something may be in dispute. But there’s no dispute over the facts, and where the facts are not known there is no dispute over the fact that they are not known and you can’t present unknown stuff as facts. It is just YOU who keeps making up ‘facts’ out of thin air as you’ve come to believe your own propaganda. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/115 "2026-07-30T16:49:27Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > You say those aren’t yours and we simply have to believe your word? > > Because you are a good person? No. You don’t have to believe my word. You made the positive claim that they’re my characters. What evidence do you have for that? I’ve presented publicly visible forum profiles and explained why I think they’re connected to you. Those profiles are: A: Evidence that I did not, in fact, make up the names, as you originally claimed. B: Evidence of sufficient rhetorical, stylistic and linguistic similarities to reasonably infer that they may be linked to you. You, on the other hand, have presented nothing connecting them to me beyond saying, “I bet.” Incidentally, you went from claiming I “made up” those names to claiming they’re “my characters” in a single comment. Those are mutually exclusive allegations. Which one are you actually asserting? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/116 "2026-07-30T17:59:40Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > n reality fc(ccp) spawns every imaginable market item INTO the market at any time they want it to be there and in doing this manipulate every price imaginable. 👽 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/117 "2026-07-30T18:01:09Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > I’ll let others judge for themselves I judged. You are correct. ---
**Author:** ![Malcoy\_Tweedhouse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcoy_tweedhouse/32/515656_2.png) [@Malcoy\_Tweedhouse](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malcoy_Tweedhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2026, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/118 "2026-07-31T00:01:50Z")
Where do I start? This thread is full of inaccurate conclusions, spite, and prejudice. Not all miners are the same. I am a PI farmer, isn’t that mining planets for resources? There are vast corporations in this game. to my understanding, they run massive strip mining operations to the point, FC made Exodia region just so the mom and pop miners could function. Then they ended up be counter active in that new region by making the ore worthless. FC made Eve Online PvP but added this economy driven by mining and resource harvesting just to obtain ships. We all have to start up as miners, but we are not forced to stay there. I don’t see anyone hating on people who PI farm, trade in the market, produce items, and make isk to buy ships other than miners. Ever since I started playing it is like mining and miner is a dirty word. @Aiko_Danuja is the one player who seems like they want all the miners to die and go away, with their meme “Calm down miner.”. Honestly I am a guy who has played some very spite filled PvP games, but the hate on this one group is borderline unbearable. I don’t even mine anymore and I get sick to my stomach from reading it here and in game. I don’t think I will be here much longer, because other new games have my attention. I think when I eventually leave this game, my stuff will go to the old dude doing the real charity work and videos on this forum. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2026, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/119 "2026-07-31T00:09:30Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > INTO the market But not out of. That is player controlled. 🤣 > [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > I proved every single of these ‘claims’ 🤣 > [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > They do because fccp manipulates the market the second the price goes under a defined threshold. 🤣 > [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > rants actually prove anything? 🤣 Yours don’t but you still keep ranting. > [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > All i see is a couple of names you made up. 🤣 Still grasping for straws. > [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > that does not fit your agenda 🤣You mean your agenda. You have to admit, he’s good at trolling! 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2026, 12:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/120 "2026-07-31T00:16:01Z")
> [@Malcoy\_Tweedhouse](#): > > Not all miners are the same And the rest of us do not include you in the same category as we do him. You’re the type of player who got 3 times his loss. Someone who tries. I cannot blame you for wanting to leave. A noble exit. I just wish you were playing the game in the early days so you could understand why the rest of us are so passionate about the game. Best of luck! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2026, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/121 "2026-07-31T01:56:47Z")
> [@Malcoy\_Tweedhouse](#): > > @Aiko_Danuja is the one player who seems like they want all the miners to die and go away, That’s right. I don’t want any miners in my PvP game. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486.md?page=7)