# The Hypocrisy Of The 'I Hate PvP' Miners **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 28, 2026, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486 "2026-07-28T12:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2026, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/164 "2026-08-01T23:40:39Z")
I’m ganking right now! ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/165 "2026-08-02T01:09:22Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > Your desperate flaming try will not work… You’re losing your street creds if that’s all you have to answer with! 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/166 "2026-08-02T02:12:36Z")
“brainwashed status” Irony: Delicious, but not a metallic taste sensation. The trammelisation/gentrification of open-world PvP games has been leaving a foul taste in people’s mouths for 26 years. ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/167 "2026-08-02T09:02:08Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > You’re losing your street creds if that’s all you have to answer with! 🤣 More is not needed, the rest of the work is done by what you try to sell as ‘an appropiate answer’ 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/168 "2026-08-02T09:08:39Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Irony: Delicious, but not a metallic taste sensation. The trammelisation/gentrification of open-world PvP games has been leaving a foul taste in people’s mouths for 26 years. Exactly what i say…no change is stagnation…being proud of 26 years doing the same is not only wrong by a tactical standard. It’s also a lie to oneself that ‘all is well with the game’… Things(games) change, that’s a sign of the time, the sad part is that you try to defend the exakt same tactic that has let THIS game to a declining status of maybe 5k - 10k REAL players(not multiple account users, REAL, EXISTING players…). The account numbers may look good on paper, but it’s not real, it’s 5 k people with 5 accounts each… Ask yourself…does this look ‘healthy’ to you? ---
**Author:** ![Tharshe\_Bloes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tharshe_bloes/32/491277_2.png) [@Tharshe\_Bloes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tharshe_Bloes)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/169 "2026-08-02T09:15:13Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > The account numbers may look good on paper, but it’s not real, it’s 5 k people with 5 accounts each… > > Ask yourself…does this look ‘healthy’ to you? Account numbers don’t matter. What matters is the financial profits FC makes per year. I understand it’s around $60 mil. It could always be more with the right manipulations and player prodding. Highsec without PvP? 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/170 "2026-08-02T09:28:03Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > 5k - 10k REAL players(not multiple account users, REAL, EXISTING players…). > > The account numbers may look good on paper, but it’s not real, it’s 5 k people with 5 accounts each… 5k players with 5 accounts each brings in the same income as 25k players. BTW, Where did you pull those numbers from? Because I suspect that your colon is feeling a little violated right now. Actual source please - not the usual ‘private discussions with devs’, ‘I know I’m right’, or similar assertions that you like to try and use to deflect. ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/171 "2026-08-02T09:28:14Z")
> [@Tharshe\_Bloes](#): > > Account numbers don’t matter. What matters is the financial profits FC makes per year. I understand it’s around $60 mil. It could always be more with the right manipulations and player prodding. > > Highsec without PvP? 😄 Dude,please tell yourself this crap over and over again, maybe someday you will believe it. 🙂 Let me try to explain : there was a REASON pearl abyss sold eve back to fc…and the reason was NOT lying in the profitability of the game, the reason was the OPPOSITE of it. The game simply made too less money for such an company to keep it. This seems to be so bad that they even were willing to take the 100 million loss just to get rid of the toxcidity of it(they sold it back to fc with this loss, the numbers are public). Why should they do something like that if they are sane? Well, the answer is obvious, 2 possibilities 1. they desperately needed money(which is, according to the latest numbers they released highly doubtable) 2. OR the ‘shiny monthly report’ fc spits out like it is the best buisness message of the decade are some kind of ‘wrong’ in a matter of ‘not entirely correct’…and this leds me to 3. regarding to the numbers pearl abyss announced(which also could be sweetend up,i admit that) and based on the reputation fc has about this glorious numbers they spit out once a month , i , and i would had never THOUGHT that i would say this EVER, trust pearl abyss more in that… ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/172 "2026-08-02T09:36:47Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > 5k players with 5 accounts each brings in the same income as 25k players. BTW, Where did you pull those numbers from? Because I suspect that your colon is feeling a little violated right now. > > Actual source please - not the usual ‘private discussions with devs’, ‘I know I’m right’, or similar assertions that you like to try and use to deflect. Well you COULD go online and see for yourself how many ‘groups of 5’ are out there warping at the same time killing the same ships ect. p.p. But i get this could be inconviniend for you to even undock, because of the danger that ‘something you know for sure’ could be shattered into million pieces… 🙂 So please, keep your believes alive by ignoring the truth…the other possibility is simply unthinkable… And NOW tell me that those groups are ‘only a few’ and that ‘i’m seeing ghosts’. PLEASE DO… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/173 "2026-08-02T09:39:36Z")
I asked for a source for the numbers, not your usual crap - as per usual you failed to deliver, providing an anecdote about seeing multiboxers instead. Those are not the same thing. And you wonder why people think you wear white face-paint, a red nose and really large shoes. ---
**Author:** ![Tharshe\_Bloes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tharshe_bloes/32/491277_2.png) [@Tharshe\_Bloes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tharshe_Bloes)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/174 "2026-08-02T09:40:04Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > too less money 😆 Unlike other forum members, I’m not going to argue with you until I’m blue in the face. I’ve got better things to do. I’ll say it clear and I’ll say it once: _You’re wrong_. Enjoy your trolling while you still can. ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/175 "2026-08-02T09:40:18Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > I asked for a source for the numbers, not your usual crap - as per usual you failed to deliver, and you wonder why people think you wear white face-paint, a red nose and really large shoes. yeah, i see that you are desperately try to keep your agenda alive…it will not work… ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/176 "2026-08-02T09:41:44Z")
> [@Tharshe\_Bloes](#): > > Unlike other forum members, I’m not going to argue with you until I’m blue in the face. I’ve got better things to do. > I’ll say it clear and I’ll say it once: _You’re wrong_. > > Enjoy your trolling while you still can. Even 60 million(highly doubtable) are too less if your yearly costs are 65 million dude…simple buisness rule 101…make MORE money then you have to spend… Yeah…you say pearl abyss’ ceos are insane i get it… LOL ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/177 "2026-08-02T09:43:12Z")
What agenda? The only person here with an agenda is you. ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/178 "2026-08-02T09:51:16Z")
And again…no argumentative arrows left, repeating and turning my statement just to say something… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/179 "2026-08-02T09:54:30Z")
You said I had an agenda, I’d like to know what it is please. ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/180 "2026-08-02T09:56:35Z")
Scroll up…you will find it 🙂 Or maybe not because of your unwillingness to admit that you are wrong to the core with everything you say that it would be hurtful… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/181 "2026-08-02T09:57:56Z")
That is not an answer to my question, it is a deflection. Once again, what is my agenda? ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/182 "2026-08-02T09:57:57Z")
YOU are accusing ME of that? That’s funny… Don’t expect any more answers today…real life… And no, that’s no pull back from the discussion, it’s unavoidable(you see how well i i know you? :-)… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2026, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/183 "2026-08-02T10:19:19Z")
Fine, if you don’t think it was a deflection, answer the question. It was a simple one. I’m not asking whether you think I have an agenda. I’m asking what you believe that agenda is. Apparently you have some insight into my motivations that I, the person supposedly having them, lack. I’d be fascinated to hear what they are. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486.md?page=10)