# The Hypocrisy Of The 'I Hate PvP' Miners **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 28, 2026, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486 "2026-07-28T12:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 128
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2026, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486/128 "2026-07-31T02:38:30Z")
CoD, BF, Destiny, Apex, etc. are all twitch games - PvP yes, but a very different kind. A player-driven economic sandbox like Eve is very much a PvP game, but one that revolves around long-term strategy, skullduggery, backstabbing, propaganda, asymmetrical information warfare, massive social networks, etc. The biggest difference being that in EVE you’re misled into thinking you’re not a combatant because you don’t have to shoot people in the face unless you want to. At risk of tooting my own horn, this is primarily aimed at new players - which you’re kind of not, but kind of are - but it may give you a little more insight into the kind of game that EVE is. It’s a slightly tongue-in-cheek attempt at a survival philosophy. > [@Welcome to New Eden: A Survival Philosophy for the New Player](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-to-new-eden-a-survival-philosophy-for-the-new-player/496908): > > You’ve just stumbled into the coldest, darkest, most complicated mistake of your gaming life. You’ve been handed a spaceship, a bit of ISK, and a vaguely threatening tutorial that encourages you to do silly things like autopilot – all while smiling politely as it hands you a knife and says, “Go explore.” Then it boots you into a universe where “safety” is a rumour and “fair” is something that lives at the bottom of a fever dream. Welcome to EVE Online – a place where a wise capsuleer named Ma… --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hypocrisy-of-the-i-hate-pvp-miners/515486)._