# The Maze (Guristas 10/10): HM or HAM Tengu? **URL:** \ **Category:** PvE Ships & Modules\ **Tags:** null-sec\ **Created:** [March 5, 2018, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-maze-guristas-10-10-hm-or-ham-tengu/61288 "2018-03-05T21:39:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Nyx\_Nirvana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nyx_nirvana/32/455252_2.png) [@Nyx\_Nirvana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nyx_Nirvana)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-maze-guristas-10-10-hm-or-ham-tengu/61288/1 "2018-03-05T21:39:56Z")
Seen different fits for the maze, some with HMs, and some with HAMs. Just wanted to ask which one is most likely going to work better, and if you could provide a fit, that’d be awesome. This is my best attempt at a fit so far. I use HMs because I have those at T2 already: [https://o.smium.org/loadout/private/149167/8575808994319269888](https://o.smium.org/loadout/private/149167/8575808994319269888) Cheers o7 ---
**Author:** ![Akuma\_Tsukai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akuma_tsukai/32/153763_2.png) [@Akuma\_Tsukai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akuma_Tsukai)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-maze-guristas-10-10-hm-or-ham-tengu/61288/2 "2018-03-06T00:49:40Z")
Lol you sure made it blingy. Will work just fine ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-maze-guristas-10-10-hm-or-ham-tengu/61288/3 "2018-03-06T10:54:44Z")
I know you’re fitting resistance specifically for Guristas but personally I prefer to plug the EM hole in the shield. Actually as an explorer I prefer to have Omni-Resists on my ships. Always be prepared and expect the unexpected. Anyway, with the stacking penalty on the Ballistic Control Systems I’m not sure if the 4th mod is actually needed when something more beneficial could be used. Maybe change Rigs to get Omni-Resists and then add an Invulnerability Field and Damage Control Module, might need to include a Cap Battery or Booster to make it Cap Stable. On my Loki T3 Cruiser, I use a Large Shield Booster and CCC rigs to make it Cap Stable. Edit: Was messing around a bit with this fit: [https://o.smium.org/loadout/149199](https://o.smium.org/loadout/149199) ---
**Author:** ![Nyx\_Nirvana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nyx_nirvana/32/455252_2.png) [@Nyx\_Nirvana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nyx_Nirvana)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-maze-guristas-10-10-hm-or-ham-tengu/61288/4 "2018-03-06T13:57:49Z")
It’s a great all-round fit you have there, but for Guristas, it tanks half as much damage and deals around 100dps less, while costing 2 billion isk more. Is your fit meant for general-purpose, or for the maze specifically? Also, interesting that you go with HMs as well. Please correct me where I’m wrong ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-maze-guristas-10-10-hm-or-ham-tengu/61288/5 "2018-03-06T14:13:28Z")
I didn’t spend a lot of time on it, basically it’s for general purpose. If you change the Defense stats from Uniform to Guristas Faction the EHP’s is 31k which you can probably increase by changing out the EM Ward mod. I went with HML’s because you had access to T2’s, with more time messing around with it I could probably raise the DPS. If price is an issue you can change out some of the Deadspace / Storyline / Faction mods for T2, for example the cloak mod. Plus you can always use Hardwiring Implants to increase ship stats. ---
**Author:** ![Sebat\_Hadah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sebat_hadah/32/248462_2.png) [@Sebat\_Hadah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sebat_Hadah)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-maze-guristas-10-10-hm-or-ham-tengu/61288/6 "2018-03-06T17:57:13Z")
Heavy missiles best missiles. ---
**Author:** ![Nyx\_Nirvana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nyx_nirvana/32/455252_2.png) [@Nyx\_Nirvana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nyx_Nirvana)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-maze-guristas-10-10-hm-or-ham-tengu/61288/7 "2018-03-06T19:27:52Z")
Ah, I see. I’ll do some tinkering. It’s a great all-purpose fit anyway, might use that. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-maze-guristas-10-10-hm-or-ham-tengu/61288/8 "2018-03-06T23:36:13Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > personally I prefer to plug the EM hole in the shield You should! The last room in The Maze will web you down to 2m/s and drop EM citadel torpedoes on you. ---
**Author:** ![Nyx\_Nirvana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nyx_nirvana/32/455252_2.png) [@Nyx\_Nirvana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nyx_Nirvana)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-maze-guristas-10-10-hm-or-ham-tengu/61288/9 "2018-03-07T08:49:44Z")
[https://o.smium.org/loadout/private/149254/916668182721200128](https://o.smium.org/loadout/private/149254/916668182721200128) This fit has the EM hole plugged while still having decent resists. Reckon this will do alright? Cheers for all your help, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-maze-guristas-10-10-hm-or-ham-tengu/61288/10 "2018-03-07T09:47:36Z")
I guess the Cov Ops Cloak is fit there for travel so you don’t have to take up space in cargo hold. I usually do stealth travel, regardless of the system security status. On my Loki T3 Cruiser, I carry two small secure containers in cargo hold that are filled with munitions and various modules for use with the extra three sub systems I have stored in the sub hold. ---
**Author:** ![WealtH\_ImmigranT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wealth_immigrant/32/44194_2.png) [@WealtH\_ImmigranT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WealtH_ImmigranT)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-maze-guristas-10-10-hm-or-ham-tengu/61288/11 "2018-03-08T17:13:03Z")
Protues doing Maze in 12minutes with drones. Ishtar with awesome skills - 9.30 sec. Tengu just useless, ez pz ---
**Author:** ![Nyx\_Nirvana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nyx_nirvana/32/455252_2.png) [@Nyx\_Nirvana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nyx_Nirvana)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-maze-guristas-10-10-hm-or-ham-tengu/61288/12 "2018-03-08T19:22:12Z")
Mind sharing the Proteus fit? ---
**Author:** ![WealtH\_ImmigranT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wealth_immigrant/32/44194_2.png) [@WealtH\_ImmigranT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WealtH_ImmigranT)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-maze-guristas-10-10-hm-or-ham-tengu/61288/13 "2018-03-08T19:40:07Z")
Nothing special, something like this, ive done before rebalance, but found similar. Core X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Core X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Core X-Type Armor Thermal Hardener Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Drone Damage Amplifier II Thukker Large Cap Battery Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Cap Recharger II [Empty Med slot] Dread Guristas Medium Graviton Smartbomb Dread Guristas Medium Graviton Smartbomb Dread Guristas Medium Graviton Smartbomb Covert Ops Cloaking Device II /OFFLINE [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Nanobot Accelerator II Medium Nanobot Accelerator II Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector Proteus Propulsion - Hyperspatial Optimization Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector Proteus Core - Augmented Fusion Reactor Wasp II x1 Vespa II x2 Hornet II x1 Gecko x1 I was using with faction drones cause they are more "fat" And I hope u know how to warp thro gates(if we are talking about gated maze) Smartbombs you need to use I’n last pocket vs web frigs. Ez pz, if you lucky - 12min/maze, unlucky 18mins maze - depends on will be your scrabmbled by frigs at 1/2/3 gate ---
**Author:** ![WealtH\_ImmigranT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wealth_immigrant/32/44194_2.png) [@WealtH\_ImmigranT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WealtH_ImmigranT)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-maze-guristas-10-10-hm-or-ham-tengu/61288/14 "2018-03-08T19:41:10Z")
Probably now it will be even more easier, all you need - high resists in Kin/Thermal so npc will dmg you for 1-5dmg 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Akuma\_Tsukai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akuma_tsukai/32/153763_2.png) [@Akuma\_Tsukai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akuma_Tsukai)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 1:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-maze-guristas-10-10-hm-or-ham-tengu/61288/15 "2018-03-09T01:15:36Z")
and to think its 10/10… just one more fine example of CCP failures 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-maze-guristas-10-10-hm-or-ham-tengu/61288/16 "2018-03-12T23:00:38Z")
The DED 10/10 were in New Eden long before the empires got sleeper tech. ---
**Author:** ![Akuma\_Tsukai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akuma_tsukai/32/153763_2.png) [@Akuma\_Tsukai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akuma_Tsukai)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-maze-guristas-10-10-hm-or-ham-tengu/61288/17 "2018-03-13T00:36:24Z")
They were soloed by ishtars then, tengu is just faster at that. Its actually a great example how game breaking T2 resists are in pve side of things. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-maze-guristas-10-10-hm-or-ham-tengu/61288/18 "2018-06-11T00:36:24Z")
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