# The Need for more content in Eve that facilitates movement **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [May 17, 2020, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-need-for-more-content-in-eve-that-facilitates-movement/241868 "2020-05-17T15:02:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Valencia\_Vatre](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valencia_vatre/32/205261_2.png) [@Valencia\_Vatre](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valencia_Vatre)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2020, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-need-for-more-content-in-eve-that-facilitates-movement/241868/1 "2020-05-17T15:03:00Z")
I will consider this Idea dead. ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2020, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-need-for-more-content-in-eve-that-facilitates-movement/241868/2 "2020-05-17T15:40:12Z")
> [@Valencia\_Vatre](#): > > just give them the skills and many will realize that the ship needed to move big things, spaceship and all is something they start with the ability to fly and probably something they should save up to sooner or later. Players will figure this out when they have some loot to move. Just having the skill won’t do anything. You start with Mining Frigate 1 but not ever new player gets into mining. > [@Valencia\_Vatre](#): > > You don’t need to make every mission require its use, but more than nothing! Because, once you are new, finding those weird places on your map, is the simplest way of breeding curiosity! The solar system map is already covered in scannable signatures and there are existing options for players to learn about this such as the career mission chains. Dropping this requirement into missions will force skill diversification that’ll either force mission declination or divert training from combat skills, which can be an issue for alpha players. Let players choose the activities they want to participate in. > [@Valencia\_Vatre](#): > > The Data Analyzer is used in some missions you get from security I think, so probably Relic Analyzer also. But these to tools, needs to be more part also, from time to time. Because the there are plenty of stories to tell with these tools! Which exist in archaeological sites, some of which are region specific. Missions are not required for this; the content is there to be found and players are already lead to it if they’re interested in it. > [@Valencia\_Vatre](#): > > So I propose a medium of these two 2 extremes Standings are not broken. If you want loyalty points you can spend anywhere there’s already a system in place for that. Get involved in invasions and incursions. It’s a major benefit of picking this content over mission running. If you want that benefit, pick the appropriate content. I can’t endorse a change to standings or LP that makes either easier. Missions are already an ISK faucet and your proposals make it worse. > [@Valencia\_Vatre](#): > > What I mean is, add a single system of high sec in the middle of the low sec, where the pirate rats, have a “public and official” headquarters, it does not need to be Concord that enforces it, just make it the pirates in this case, lore reason be damn, be able to enforce it. Then just giving the pirates a simple loyalty point store will do the trick, Pirates have loyalty point stores. They are amongst the most lucrative in the game. If you want access to pirate missions and content get yourself off to nullsec where they already exist. There’s no justification for making pirate territory work like highsec. You want those rewards you take those risks. > [@Valencia\_Vatre](#): > > I think we can also implement a PVP event as an idea, a T1 Frigate and Cruiser arena, no pirate ships There’s nothing stopping you organising a PvP event with whatever rules you want. They happen all the time. PvP content will not be handed to you in this game in a controlled risk or fair setting. You want your content, go find it. And if you want gameplay with constant movement and variety, join a WH Corp. ---
**Author:** ![Sideways\_Bottomsup](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sideways_bottomsup/32/194490_2.png) [@Sideways\_Bottomsup](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sideways_Bottomsup)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2020, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-need-for-more-content-in-eve-that-facilitates-movement/241868/3 "2020-05-17T16:41:07Z")
> [@Valencia\_Vatre](#): > > They start with nearly everything for the above 22183 m3 size hold, minus cash, Cargohold Expanders and ship and the skill level of 1 to fly it, New characters do start with racial industrial 1, so I’m not sure I’m understanding you right. In addition, if they do the career missions as the game instructs you to do, they’ll end up with two tier 1 industrial ships as well as a couple of cargo extenders. And some cash. It’s not entirely obvious to me that we should encourage new players to pile everything they own into a tech 1 industrial, either. But who knows. ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2020, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-need-for-more-content-in-eve-that-facilitates-movement/241868/4 "2020-05-17T17:59:40Z")
Indy ships: Players are supposed to learn to work their way up in terms of skills and modules. Giving it to them up front isn’t going to make them learn the game better. Also, they don’t necessarily need all this cargo space up front, they really don’t. In fact, enabling them to do so is inviting them to put all their eggs in one basket, and we know what happens then… Security missions: L1-L4 (excluding burners) are low-level PVE that serve as training grounds for higher end PVE content (non-missions, or L4 burners + L5s), and PVP itself. Missions comprise the minority of PVE content - the solution to everything you’ve described it “move on from missions” Standings and LP: As the Co-Head of the [United Standings Improvement Agency [USIA]](http://www.unitedstandings.org) (people hire us to raise standings by large amounts in a very short period of time), I’m a subject matter expert in this area, I can tell you that right now a lot of your feelings toward the system have to do by failing to understand and work with the system rather than against it. Don’t get me wrong - there are plenty of things that could be improved, but not in the areas you are addressing. There are numerous, numerous, numerous, numerous, numerous issues with what you are proposing that I won’t even go into other than to say that _those who are ignorant of standings mechanics (or any other kind of mechanics) and their implications should probably not suggest such radical changes_. If you’d like to learn more about how to can improve your standings yourself, join the [USIA Discord](http://discord.unitedstandings.org/) server and we can teach you. (And if you want to get paid for running missions, we have job opportunities as well!) Lowsec: Your premise that there is no incentive for people to mission in lowsec is false. Hisec islands already exist. Magically changing lowsec systems goes against lore and is both unnecessary and does not effectively address what is arguably a non-existent problem. _The best solution to your problems are to be better educated so you can operate freely in lowsec and reap the benefits that lowsec offers that hisec does not without fear of ganks._ CCP has frequent events. One of their most recent events involved scanning (it was controversial). PVP arena exist: they’re called FW complexes. There are numerous issues with TZ events I’m not even going to go into other than to say they are categorically a bad idea. Find a corp to educate you and all these non-existent problems that you perceive to be problems will address themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-need-for-more-content-in-eve-that-facilitates-movement/241868/5 "2020-05-18T09:48:41Z")
Part 1 > [@Sideways\_Bottomsup](#): > > New characters do start with racial industrial 1, so I’m not sure I’m understanding you right. In addition, if they do the career missions as the game instructs you to do, they’ll end up with two tier 1 industrial ships as well as a couple of cargo extenders. And some cash. ^^^^^^ @Valencia_Vatre Do the career agents. * * * Part 2 The type of semi-exploration and semi-combat content you’re looking for describes combat anoms and ded sites. They’re out there. Meanwhile, no need to force scanning on people that don’t want it. * * * Part 3 It wasn’t complete clear what you were asking for toward the end, but being able to easily gain standings and lp for all corps under a faction does not encourage movement, but enables the opposite. If i usually run fed navy missions, but I want roden LP and standings, i have to move to a roden station and start running those missions. If i can get the LP and standings for any gallente corp from my usual corp, why wouldn’t i just stay where i am and transfer LP? Also, what’s the point in transferring LP if all stores are the same? * * * Part 4 One of the reasons pirate missions pay so well is that they are hard to get to and few people do them. If you make them more accessible they are going to lose value. Hi-sec islands surrounded by low-sec do exist as well. * * * Regarding a system dropping to null, there’s a rumor something like this might be coming. Though it’s not quite null sec and it’s related to Triglavian invasion. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-need-for-more-content-in-eve-that-facilitates-movement/241868/6 "2020-08-16T09:48:41Z")
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